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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fade to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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for the

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how you doing how you doing today is

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tuesday

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february 2nd 2021 33 days into the new

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year only 332

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days left

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we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg are a

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the planet our murals jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody what's going

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tonight what an amazing week on the show

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and tonight lou elizondo joins us

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lou is here for the first time we are

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uh the ufo community what is in the

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about tomorrow night is the return

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very excited about that love daryl he's

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expo 2021 and daryl

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this thursday all right and for tickets

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that and go get your tickets

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happy birthday to today shakira

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shakira today is 44 years old what

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what shakira's not 44

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christy brinkley today is 67.

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howard bellamy of the bellamy brothers

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history of everything

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let your love flow journey basis ross

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i i can't figure all of this out but

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it's ross valerie's birthday basis

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one of the principals in stone temple

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pilots and also

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another band with his brother talk show

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our dead guy's birthday today is farrah

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award nominee and a six-time golden

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award nominee and rose to huge

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huge international fame when she played

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every young man in america had her

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poster on their bedroom wall

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including yours truly and they wore her

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t-shirt every day to school that's what

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they did

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and this is a fact fair died of cancer

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at the age of 62 at st john's health

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center right here in santa monica

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california with ryan o'neal

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and alana stewart by her side happy

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birthday

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pharah on this day in history otd

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1979 sex pistol sid vicious dies of a

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robeson here's your fader fact

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all right you ready

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iceland has the largest banana

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i i did not know that iceland has the

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largest banana plantation in all of

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tonight very special guest lou elizondo

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joining us he'll be with us at the

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bottom of the hour tomorrow night

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is daryl anka and bashar thursday's

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another fader night with

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our cle 2021 special event followed by

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open lines all night long

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all right let me hit this river moon

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coffee what a great show we've got

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coming up tonight

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but um

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that i would have my own coffee

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right my picture on the front

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of a bag of beans how cool is that

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i'm excited you excited let me hit this

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well

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tonight tonight lou

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lozano joins us for the first time on

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fade to black

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and i know that many of you out there

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are very excited to finally get lou on

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the show and and i'm

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certainly with you on that and you

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probably

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have thought that tonight's conversation

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would never happen

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and i get that too but let me

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make a few things clear in advance

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of lou joining us at the bottom of the

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hour okay

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first i have said this many

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many times over the last few years

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before we put all of our complete

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trust in them and their mission

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we have to let some time pass

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a couple of years at a minimum

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then we'll be able to see what's really

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going on

329
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now that has been my position

330
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my take on this has not changed

331
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and this mindset is the same with

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anyone or any group that comes along

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into the ufo field trust in this

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community is earned it is not a right

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second the marketing and public

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relations

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that were behind ttsa was strong

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and being able to fund these efforts

339
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takes money

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ttsa was willing to spend it

341
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ttsa was employing some of the best

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pr in the business all of this to

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get their message out and for

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that we should all be thankful

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okay i'm very very grateful

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i am and i've said this

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over and over again

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okay i can't say it enough ttsa was able

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to get the ufo question into the

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worldwide media like

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never before in the history of the

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they did any

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criticism of ttsa

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that has gone down out there in

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conversations with the ufo community and

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beyond

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all of that was always answered with but

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yeah you may be right but yeah you're

359
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probably right

360
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but they've done more for

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ufos than anybody else in the history of

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anything they brought it into the media

363
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we've got tucker carlson we've got cnn

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we've got the bbc

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everybody is talking about we've got the

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new york times

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yes absolutely 100

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correct now i want to go back and i will

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say this again back on december 17 2017

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is driving my car listening to kfi

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talk radio here in los angeles listening

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to the breaking news i'm just driving my

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car down the road

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well it was announced today by the new

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york times that the pentagon has a

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secret ufo group that is

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investigating ufos

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and i almost crashed my car and that

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is not some metaphor

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i listened to that and by the time i got

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home

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i had heard this three times on the

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radio

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i'm jumping on my cell phone while i'm

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driving which is illegal i get i get

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home i'm i'm talking to rita

387
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phones are just ringing and

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that night we went live

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on a saturday with fade to black the

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days of disclosure here we go

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i was excited okay

392
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i realize what a good pr team

393
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can do okay

394
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are we clear third

395
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just over a couple of years ago as the

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questions about ttsa started to get

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asked

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by me and others i sent an email to tom

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and everyone over at ttsa

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and i also had a couple of journalists

401
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copied in that email too as well i

402
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wanted everybody to make sure that

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uh there was no questions about

404
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the list of questions that email

405
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had a list of 10 questions that i wanted

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addressed

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and i got replies immediately

408
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and those replies from different

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individuals

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were basically quote jimmy quit asking

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questions

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you don't understand the big picture we

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do

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and and some of these replies were from

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some people that i know

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quite well and

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skating the issues the last time i spoke

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with tom delong

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was last summer and

420
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uh we talked about at that time

421
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,080
we talked about him coming on the show

422
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,720
on fade to black to to promote

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unidentified

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and he said at that time

425
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that and i'm quoting here he said i

426
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don't want to answer any questions

427
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:58,400
that the ufo community wants you to ask

428
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,320
me as i wait a minute

429
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:05,520
tom i said well

430
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and that was it

431
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,149
that was it that was a year ago

432
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i knew at that point

433
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that when it comes to ttsa in the future

434
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i'll just report the breaking news when

435
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it happens

436
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,760
and i said this publicly i think i

437
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,480
posted it i mentioned it on the show

438
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but at the time i meant it and i'm still

439
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and that was because of the conversation

440
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i had with tom i need all of you to

441
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:44,320
understand this

442
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:52,549
this is all of this ultimately

443
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,240
is why i had said that ttsa

444
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would never let lou come on the show

445
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,400
that this would ever happen you know

446
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,919
back then it was a different it was a

447
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,760
different situation and i was asking

448
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,360
questions and i was poking around

449
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,039
and they wanted to control the narrative

450
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,559
they wanted to control it that's fine

451
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,039
but i knew that having lou on the show

452
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,799
and people were asking me about this and

453
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,679
that includes

454
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,159
chris mellon you know or anyone else

455
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,840
over at ttsa

456
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,840
but this would never happen ever but

457
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,400
today

458
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,270
now and i need this to be very clear

459
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:34,640
here

460
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:39,840
behind the scenes

461
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,280
things that will never be talked about

462
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,840
not even in my tell-all book that'll be

463
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,559
my death

464
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,159
bed confession right

465
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:53,679
i just won't talk about it ever

466
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,760
it's just who i am and today lou finds

467
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,080
himself in the same position

468
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,120
there's no reason everyone

469
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:06,559
for drama and i know that there are

470
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:07,120
those

471
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,240
out there that thrive on it but

472
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,640
it's just not going to happen folks not

473
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tonight

474
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,990
but that doesn't mean i won't ask the

475
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,200
tough questions tonight

476
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,400
and trust me lou is expecting them

477
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,840
he wants them and

478
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,640
i think that in the past he's gotten way

479
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:33,679
too many

480
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,520
underarm slow pitch softballs

481
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:38,960
and i mean that with the greatest of

482
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,240
respect but what's the fun in that

483
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,080
what's the fun in that for lou there's

484
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:46,400
no fun in that

485
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,840
you have to ask the tough questions

486
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,840
what's the fun in that well i'll answer

487
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,039
that for you

488
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,159
none there is no fun

489
00:24:03,430 --> 00:23:59,360
you got to do it all right

490
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,440
all right i mean i i i want i want lou

491
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,679
i said this to him today i want lou to

492
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:06,480
say hey

493
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:09,760
i can't answer that i want him

494
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,200
because that allows me to

495
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,240
press and have a follow-up question

496
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:19,840
that's exactly what that is it's my job

497
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:23,279
we'll see what we can do okay

498
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:28,000
now i'll never forget

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00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:31,840
when someone from ttsa

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to me straight in the eye straight in

501
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the eye

502
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said and i quote

503
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jimmy we don't care about the ufo

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00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,600
community

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00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,320
their support or concerns just doesn't

506
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:47,840
matter

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00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:51,120
they don't know the truth about ufos we

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do

509
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end quote and i just stood there trying

510
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to keep my composure and i did

511
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,240
i was cool now when

512
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,279
these words are said to me

513
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,120
you don't have to wonder why i started

514
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,360
to poke around into ttsa and what their

515
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:09,520
message was to the world

516
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:13,120
and who was doing it yes

517
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i was on a mission and now you know why

518
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:21,760
or at least the stuff i can talk about

519
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:27,679
so in closing i'll leave you with this

520
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i've been chasing the ufo question for

521
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,120
almost 50 years

522
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,200
five decades of dedication

523
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,320
and i truly believe that we are closer

524
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:42,000
than ever before

525
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:45,919
to real answers from official sources

526
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:50,400
i can feel it and you can feel it too

527
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:54,480
now there is a time and a place

528
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,120
for everything everything happens for a

529
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,310
and right now it's fade to black

530
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,840
and the conversation i'm about to have

531
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:10,159
tonight

532
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,679
because we have a very special guest

533
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,880
lou elizondo is joining us for the first

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00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,679
time

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00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,919
we're going to be talking about ttsa the

536
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,000
future of disclosure the ufo

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00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,840
community his background what's his take

538
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,400
what has he seen what does he know we're

539
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,840
going to do all of that tonight

540
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,960
and a whole lot more tomorrow right here

541
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,240
on fade to black daryl anka and

542
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:38,880
bashar thursday night is another fader

543
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,440
night this

544
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,919
isn't just another fader night though

545
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,880
okay we're gonna have

546
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,039
open lines all night long but we're

547
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,799
gonna have robert q

548
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,880
quicksilver with us we're gonna have

549
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:50,799
serena wright taylor here and we're

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gonna have

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t solice with our conscious life expo

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2021 special preview event

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followed by open lines all night long

554
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i'm your host jimmy church this

555
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:03,679
is fade to black you can follow me on

556
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twitter at j

557
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,360
church radio you can follow lou lou

558
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,640
elizondo at

559
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,080
well lou elizondo right there on twitter

560
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:14,240
we've got everything up in our twitter

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00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,120
feed

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00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:16,720
i'll be right back after this short

563
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break stay with us

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[Music]

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and where we're headed do you wonder

639
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about the food supply

640
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i do disruptions in the food supply

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family trusts for our preparedness plan

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off a full four week supply of delicious

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659
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662
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time to lose

663
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do it now

664
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:28,070
fade to black is not

665
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your father's radio show on the game

666
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changer radio network

667
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,000
and kgra the planet

668
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:40,000
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

669
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,640
you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

670
00:32:05,509 --> 00:31:47,519
what's up i'm chris what up this is

671
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,350
okay welcome back paid to black i'm your

672
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,080
host jimmy church tonight lou elizondo

673
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,360
is here tomorrow night is daryl

674
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,559
anka bashar thursday night is another

675
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,399
fader night in our cle

676
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,600
2021 special preview event followed by

677
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,279
open lines all night long

678
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
what a great week on the show tonight

679
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,120
it's lou lou

680
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,720
lou earned his degree from the

681
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,760
university of miami with majors in

682
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,519
microbiology immunology and

683
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:36,240
advanced research experience in tropical

684
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,960
diseases

685
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,799
lou spent several years serving in the

686
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,080
united states army

687
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,399
and was later recruited into a special

688
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,760
activities program

689
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,000
he has served as an intelligence officer

690
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,840
and senior special agent throughout

691
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,600
latin america the caribbean

692
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:52,159
and the middle east in 2008 he began

693
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,120
working with

694
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,960
the advanced aerospace threat

695
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:56,960
identification program otherwise known

696
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,200
as

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00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,720
leadership

698
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,080
role for that effort in 2017

699
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,200
he resigned in protest due to over

700
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,279
secrecy and a lack of transparency

701
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:12,320
into the important topic of ufos since

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00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,880
then

703
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,039
he has been engaged in the effort to

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00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,200
disclose the truth about this phenomenon

705
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,440
along with other key individuals and i

706
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,720
would like to welcome for the first time

707
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,159
to fade to black mr lou

708
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,159
elizondo lou good evening man how are

709
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:25,600
you

710
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,919
me i sincerely appreciate it and

711
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:31,760
really really looking forward to

712
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,669
this is definitely my pleasure i think

713
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,960
i'm probably getting the better end of

714
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,240
the deal out of this

715
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:42,080
but uh thank you for having me

716
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,360
absolutely and

717
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:46,159
uh that'll be the last mr church i hear

718
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,360
tonight okay

719
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,399
are we cool with that good copy

720
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,440
okay good jimmy you got it now um uh

721
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,279
you're a first time guest so you get the

722
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,440
first time guest disclaimer lou next

723
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,720
time you're on the show you're not gonna

724
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,360
get it

725
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,559
lou

726
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,480
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

727
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,320
having a conversation as friends

728
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:08,000
where that conversation starts it's

729
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,359
we're going to end his friends

730
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,800
there you go simple now absolutely

731
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:15,679
okay i'm going to start with a general

732
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,399
statement

733
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,599
uh for everybody so they understand

734
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:22,159
uh this conversation that we are about

735
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:23,119
to have

736
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,960
um this conversation is unscripted

737
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,839
it's uncentered uh uh uncensored

738
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,079
uncentered it'll be that too as well

739
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:35,440
and um unrehearsed and

740
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,520
uh i have zero questions prepared

741
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,720
and you have stressed to me over the

742
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,679
last week

743
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,040
jimmy ask me anything and i want the

744
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:49,599
uh the audience to understand that this

745
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,079
is

746
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,839
what they are going to get tonight are

747
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,919
we on the same page lou

748
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,399
you got it all right now let's start

749
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:58,880
here i i'm going to start

750
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,240
um uh to clear the air

751
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,760
for everybody and for the audience

752
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:06,720
tonight and and i want to say this

753
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,160
clandestine operations uh

754
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,880
counterintelligence

755
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:13,920
uh secret operations going on overseas

756
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:17,359
special agent james bond right

757
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,599
um how can the audience

758
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,640
trust the conversation with

759
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:27,359
tonight with your background that you

760
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:28,079
have been

761
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,160
very uh forthwith about

762
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,839
how can they trust the conversation that

763
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,920
we are about to have

764
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,000
well they don't have to trust it um you

765
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,280
know frankly i

766
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,119
the purpose of me being on this radio

767
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,160
show is nothing more than to get the

768
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:45,520
conversation to

769
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,800
to continue uh moving forward i think

770
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,640
dialogue is very important i'm not

771
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,400
asking anybody to believe me i'm not

772
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,320
asking anybody to agree with me

773
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,440
i'm not asking anybody to take my side

774
00:36:01,349 --> 00:36:00,320
in fact i think uh contrary positions

775
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,359
and opinions are good

776
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,960
i think they're healthy and i think

777
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,440
that's what what conversation is about

778
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,119
and the fact that we can even have this

779
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,560
conversation

780
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,800
on this radio program about this topic

781
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,480
in this country says a lot

782
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,000
and at the end of the day if all i

783
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,680
accomplish uh

784
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,160
in this radio program are more people

785
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:19,599
having the conversation then i've

786
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,320
succeeded

787
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,119
um to answer your question why trust me

788
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,480
don't i don't really give a damn

789
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:27,280
people trust me or not the bottom line

790
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,599
is

791
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,480
that my my background in intelligence

792
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,680
has been used

793
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,520
against the enemy and the enemy in this

794
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:35,680
case are are are not americans

795
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,200
the these skills that i've i've learned

796
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:42,320
for the past 20 some odd years has been

797
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,200
used

798
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:45,680
in in combat and in warfare against the

799
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,320
enemy

800
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,480
i swore an oath and allegiance to

801
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,079
protect this country from all enemies

802
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,920
foreign and domestic

803
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,240
you know i was on the other side of the

804
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,920
firing line my job was to protect

805
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,960
americans not

806
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,760
not uh deceive them yes it's true that

807
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,359
within the world of counterintelligence

808
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,560
and intelligence

809
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,240
uh you learn a lot of tradecraft and

810
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,160
that tradecraft uh when

811
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
employed against the enemy can be very

812
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,520
very effective but you never use it

813
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,640
against your own people

814
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,320
in the past i think there's people who

815
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,960
have long memories in the 60s uh

816
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,520
and and of course in this early 70s

817
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,359
there was a history of abuse by the

818
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,520
american government and its people

819
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,839
against people uh and there were things

820
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,040
that involved

821
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:27,680
horrible things atrocities from from

822
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,400
spying on

823
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,800
student groups and colleges to uh

824
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,960
horrible experiments uh involving uh

825
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,680
syphilis

826
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,040
and other type of things and of course

827
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
electric kool-aid acid tests

828
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:39,040
so so we haven't always behaved very

829
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,240
well uh as

830
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,480
intelligence personnel and so thankfully

831
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:43,920
congress decided to

832
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,960
to change the laws and make it very very

833
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,640
very difficult especially the last

834
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,480
quarter century for

835
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,480
anybody in the intelligence community to

836
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,599
do anything

837
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,440
wrong against the american people

838
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,440
there's actually laws now

839
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,119
preventing that from happening there's a

840
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,880
inspector general oversight there's

841
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,000
attorneys

842
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,440
so uh you know like you say in your your

843
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,280
radio broadcast this is not your

844
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:08,560
father's radio

845
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:11,359
uh station um this is not your father's

846
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,079
government

847
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,119
um we've come a long way in

848
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:17,440
in the way we do business and certainly

849
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,160
um

850
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,920
when i joined the military and then

851
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,200
later the u.s government and the

852
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,040
intelligence community

853
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,359
i didn't i didn't join to to harm the

854
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,119
american people i joined to help the

855
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
american people that's an oath i take

856
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:31,040
i take very seriously and ultimately at

857
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,240
the end of the day if people don't want

858
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,280
to believe it well

859
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,520
you know don't believe it that's that's

860
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,599
not what i'm here for

861
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,480
let's uh i want to start in the present

862
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,920
before we go

863
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:45,200
backwards uh tonight and but

864
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:49,280
uh let's let's start in it with today

865
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:53,920
why did you choose to leave ttsa

866
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,440
well that was a mutual decision uh ttsa

867
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,599
was a great company and it absolutely

868
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,520
accomplished the missions we set out

869
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,920
for it to accomplish and i i can go back

870
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,839
and and probably list off the top 10

871
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,480
things but

872
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:07,760
i'm not going to waste your time in your

873
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,880
audience's time rehashing that um

874
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,960
but bottom line is i think i think we

875
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,560
were successful in our mission

876
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,320
but let's not forget and i've said this

877
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,240
before

878
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,880
the the the battle space if you will of

879
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,040
disclosure is constantly evolving

880
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,800
um it's like when you're playing chess

881
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:26,480
you don't ever keep your pieces on the

882
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,280
chess board

883
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,000
static you win by moving and

884
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,520
outmaneuvering your enemy so in this

885
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,119
particular case

886
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,440
from my personal perspective the enemy

887
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,400
is is over secrecy

888
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,200
of this topic of uaps of ufos that

889
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,960
historically has plagued the government

890
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,640
for for a very long time

891
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,800
so in order to accomplish this goal the

892
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,400
battle space is constantly

893
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,200
evolving i think you have to evolve your

894
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,520
tactics and your strategy with it

895
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,640
being with ttsa was never the end game

896
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,640
for myself or chris mellon or steve

897
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,400
justice it was

898
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,440
at the time the appropriate step to take

899
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,640
to get the initial job done but

900
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:09,440
now that that initial job is complete we

901
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,480
are now moving

902
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,560
our pieces on the chessboard if you will

903
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,000
or in the battle space

904
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,800
to to now launch phase two of this

905
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,440
endeavor

906
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:20,160
um and i'll keep it i'll keep it simple

907
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:20,720
at that

908
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,160
well uh what what was

909
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,119
the mission was the mission and i want

910
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:29,200
to put words in your mouth but was

911
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:33,280
the mission to push this out into the

912
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,000
public

913
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,280
and into the media was that the mission

914
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,440
because if that was the mission

915
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,240
mission successful complete yeah let me

916
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,760
let me uh give you just a very quick

917
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,520
anecdote that the five pillars of our

918
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,400
emphasis

919
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:49,359
were always legislative uh engagement uh

920
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,319
senior executive

921
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
engagement in the executive branch uh

922
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,880
engagement with with foreign partners

923
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,160
and allies

924
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,319
and then the fourth pillar was engaging

925
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,599
the media and then the fifth pillar was

926
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,200
engaging the general public

927
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,400
and i think we did accomplish a lot of

928
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,079
what we set out to do initially

929
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,280
a lot of people ask well why tom delong

930
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,920
and my response to that is well why not

931
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,079
tom has a voice very much

932
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:16,240
like me being on your radio show today

933
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,200
uh you know

934
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,280
jimmy you are you are known as a radio

935
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,839
personality among many other things

936
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,000
and you have a voice whether whether

937
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,839
people want to agree with your position

938
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,560
or not

939
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,960
you have a voice and and as a result

940
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,079
people listen

941
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,200
well tom de long has a voice and

942
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,480
you don't always have to agree

943
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,400
necessarily with his perspective just

944
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,680
like you don't have to agree with mine

945
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,880
or anybody else's

946
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,119
but he's a very effective communicator

947
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,280
uh he made a history

948
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,400
and a very successful history of of

949
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,480
of in indian entertainment world and

950
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,400
being kind of that if you will that

951
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:53,200
shock rocker punk rocker uh that went

952
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,319
against the system

953
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,400
and if you look at the topic of ufos and

954
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,359
uaps

955
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,280
you know there's really a lot of synergy

956
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,040
there's a lot of commonality i'm looking

957
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:02,480
right now at your screen i see a bunch

958
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,800
of

959
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,720
you know awesome guitars electric

960
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,119
guitars hanging in the background

961
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,880
uh you know music and entertainment is

962
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,200
very effective way to communicate

963
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,440
and sometimes in a crowded room amongst

964
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,480
many voices

965
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,480
you need a bullhorn and and in this

966
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,680
particular case

967
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:22,160
uh very much like you tom is that

968
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,880
bullhorn

969
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:25,520
he he can he can get the message out

970
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,240
i've often

971
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:29,119
told people uh you know people ask me

972
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,000
isn't tom a little bit

973
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,839
like a like a bull in a china shop and

974
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,280
my response is well

975
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,440
no tom is more like a hand grenade in in

976
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,440
the punch bowl i mean it's it's

977
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:40,560
it's uh it can be violent at times

978
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,319
uh but very effective and so i i think

979
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,680
um using that platform initially was

980
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,079
a great way to get out the message as

981
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,839
quickly as possible to the broadest

982
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,720
audience

983
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,440
um you know in in a fairly effective way

984
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,280
now hindsight being 2020

985
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,680
uh could we have done things differently

986
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,400
well sure

987
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,160
hindsight's always 20 20 right i'm sure

988
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:03,520
there's things we do in our daily lives

989
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,920
that

990
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,520
we probably look back and say well i

991
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,480
wish i had done that a little bit

992
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,920
differently

993
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,319
but for the most part i feel very

994
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,520
satisfied

995
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,200
that we were able to accomplish much of

996
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,280
what we set out to do with ttsa

997
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,400
now what about the uh

998
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,680
not necessarily the investors

999
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,839
that that purchased you know stock

1000
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:25,440
options into

1001
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:28,640
ttsa but the original presentations

1002
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,400
uh that you were part of uh back in 2017

1003
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:34,960
with the talk of and advancing the

1004
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,520
technology bringing it into the civilian

1005
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,160
sector

1006
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,440
you're going to have a technology

1007
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,359
division of course steve justice was a

1008
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,560
part of that

1009
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,000
and and that part of it which was

1010
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:49,280
uh another pillar of ttsa what what

1011
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:49,920
happens

1012
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,000
still there and it's still evolving

1013
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,839
we still have the creative uh which is

1014
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:57,119
the research agreement with the us

1015
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,839
government

1016
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,240
we still have uh capabilities such as

1017
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:02,960
the adam project and the vault and scout

1018
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,160
uh and and other efforts such as the the

1019
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,560
payton project which is working with the

1020
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,480
first nations of saskatchewan trying to

1021
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,800
record the oral traditions of indigenous

1022
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,760
indigenous people so those those efforts

1023
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,839
are still very much alive

1024
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,680
and we are actually currently right now

1025
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,480
as as we speak believe it or not working

1026
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,040
on furthering those efforts um they're

1027
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,960
they're certainly not dead in the water

1028
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,599
it's like any time you shift gears right

1029
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,880
there's a transition

1030
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:33,200
involved in that and we're now looking

1031
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,079
at a

1032
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:37,119
at the most effective way to to

1033
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,280
succeed in those areas now the

1034
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,480
uh ttsa website um

1035
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,599
uh has has been scrubbed

1036
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,160
you're no longer there um along with

1037
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:51,920
chris mellon of course chief justice

1038
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:54,960
it has the finality of that set

1039
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,800
in and and you know because it's

1040
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,160
been a part of your life for the last

1041
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,400
three years and to not see that i

1042
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
expected it to still be there maybe it

1043
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:05,920
wasn't updated yet

1044
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,160
but but it was gone and has that sunk in

1045
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,560
uh yeah sure i mean as a military person

1046
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,520
you're used to

1047
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,839
every three years having a new job

1048
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,440
that's just kind of the way uniformed

1049
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,480
services

1050
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:21,280
go no one is assigned to a duty position

1051
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,240
forever

1052
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:25,119
there's there's a lot of turnover so for

1053
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:25,599
me

1054
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,000
um it it you know has it sunk in

1055
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,079
yes but in a way because i'm still

1056
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,079
friends with everybody there

1057
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,480
it's literally just a phone call away i

1058
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,160
i can every time i go to california i

1059
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,359
can swing by and

1060
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,359
go grab a cup of coffee with tom or

1061
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,839
anybody else in the office

1062
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,680
hal is still a very close friend of mine

1063
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,200
i still maintain close communications

1064
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,560
with jim semivan

1065
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,880
so uh and of course all the advisors as

1066
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,280
well such as dr norm khan et cetera

1067
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,640
so my leaving the company

1068
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,400
isn't what a lot of people think people

1069
00:46:00,950 --> 00:46:00,160
think oh they got disgruntled and there

1070
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:00,960
was some big

1071
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:03,520
fiasco inside that really wasn't the

1072
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,000
case

1073
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,760
um as far as the daily runnings of the

1074
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,839
business i'm not a business guy to be

1075
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,200
honest with you i couldn't tell you

1076
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,319
anything about it

1077
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,440
i know there were some people

1078
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,079
specifically brought into ttsa to

1079
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:16,400
manage the business portion i'm not a

1080
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,119
business guy

1081
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,760
i'm and frankly i'm not i'm not a i'm

1082
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,760
not an entertainer either so

1083
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,680
there really wasn't a super great fit

1084
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,920
for me as you probably know a lot of

1085
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,800
your listeners

1086
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,599
the ttsa core mission has begin to lift

1087
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,400
and shift

1088
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,920
and to focus primarily on the

1089
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,400
entertainment piece and i think that's

1090
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,319
that's probably prudent because it gives

1091
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,160
you probably a better chance of

1092
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,760
near-term investment return on

1093
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,359
investment for those people who have

1094
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,079
who have contributed money and invested

1095
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:45,440
in ttsa

1096
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,599
so that's probably a prudent idea um

1097
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,599
again forgive me because i i don't i

1098
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,720
really don't have the authority to speak

1099
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,319
on behalf of ttsa

1100
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,800
hey i'm not an employee i just i wasn't

1101
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,920
in the business process

1102
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,160
uh of of the daily you know daily

1103
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,079
activities of the company

1104
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,800
but i do know that the the emphasis was

1105
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,400
to start focusing on a

1106
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,079
on a more immediate return on investment

1107
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:10,240
for for for those investors that are out

1108
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:10,880
there

1109
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:14,880
now uh very early on the

1110
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:18,960
uh the message that was being pushed out

1111
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,079
uh through various media organizations

1112
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:23,680
by ttsa

1113
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,520
was using the word threat

1114
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:30,640
and i think that the perception uh

1115
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:34,240
by anybody not only the ufo community

1116
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,200
but anybody

1117
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,119
reading this outside of the ufo

1118
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:38,640
community uh

1119
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:41,839
sees threat equates that with fear

1120
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,119
and that was the totality of the message

1121
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,200
coming out of ttsa

1122
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,559
were you concerned about that well sure

1123
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,000
but let's not forget where where

1124
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,720
i come from i come from the the national

1125
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,880
security apparatus of our country

1126
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,880
being part of the intelligence community

1127
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,400
and department of defense

1128
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,000
there's always a potential threat

1129
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,520
narrative otherwise

1130
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,920
you know put this over to epa or you

1131
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,440
know department of interior or some

1132
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,440
other organization to handle or

1133
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,280
or you know health and human services or

1134
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,559
even nasa

1135
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,000
the fact that it's in department of

1136
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,079
defense the word defense

1137
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,440
is in its very title um the job with the

1138
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:21,040
department of defense is to go and fight

1139
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,240
and win wars

1140
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,520
very quickly and and very efficiently um

1141
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,280
it's not really to engage in

1142
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,280
humanitarian assistance or anything like

1143
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,119
that or ask the bigger questions

1144
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,880
that frankly the scientific community

1145
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,559
and academia is probably better postured

1146
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,920
to answer such as

1147
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,440
what are the intentions and where are

1148
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,520
they from and all that we were looking

1149
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,040
at two fundamental things

1150
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:44,000
what is it and how does it work and from

1151
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,640
a dod

1152
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,800
perspective just take this for a moment

1153
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,440
if you have something flying around

1154
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,359
that you don't know what it is you don't

1155
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,720
know how it works and there's not

1156
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,880
frankly a damn thing you can do about it

1157
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,119
is that a threat well from a national

1158
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,040
national security perspective

1159
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,800
it could be if it wanted to be let's

1160
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,359
let's let's superimpose this idea if

1161
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:04,559
these things happen to have

1162
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,160
let's say uh a russian star on the tail

1163
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,839
or a north korean tail number

1164
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,680
and they were flying over our populated

1165
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,200
cities what would happen

1166
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,079
well we would scramble f-22s immediately

1167
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,680
norad would be alerted and it'd be on

1168
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,000
the front page of cnn and fox news

1169
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,800
um that's that's the reality we don't

1170
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,520
like things

1171
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,760
into what we call air domain awareness

1172
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,200
we don't like things

1173
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,640
flying in our airspace that we don't

1174
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,880
know what they are um so

1175
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,319
yeah there's a potential threat there

1176
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,240
i've often used and i'm gonna digress

1177
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,000
here jimmy just for a second

1178
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,520
uh it's it's a little bit of a

1179
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,520
long-winded analogy but it might help

1180
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:41,200
put things into perspective for some of

1181
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,079
your your

1182
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,040
your audience and i've said this analogy

1183
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,520
before so forgive me if if it seems old

1184
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,720
um but if i may ask jimmy don't you have

1185
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,680
to be specific but

1186
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,800
where do you live i live in burbank okay

1187
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,240
burbank beautiful city

1188
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,319
let me ask you at night do you lock the

1189
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,760
front door

1190
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,800
sometimes okay and i'm sure you live in

1191
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,160
a great neighborhood you don't expect

1192
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,520
anything bad to happen

1193
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:07,599
so you lock that front door just to be

1194
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,559
careful right

1195
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,400
and you might even go the extra step

1196
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,000
maybe you'll check once in a while

1197
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,520
the windows the front windows make sure

1198
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,680
they're secure and when you go to bed

1199
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,440
you might even turn the alarm system on

1200
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,079
just for extra precaution let's say one

1201
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:21,359
morning you wake up and you come

1202
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,079
downstairs

1203
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,359
you're going to have a nice hot cup of

1204
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,920
coffee or tea and you walk downstairs

1205
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,200
and all of a sudden

1206
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,880
there are muddy boot prints in your

1207
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,640
living room now

1208
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,880
no one's been hurt nothing's been taken

1209
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,400
nothing's out of place

1210
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,640
but despite you locking the front door

1211
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,480
that night before and the windows and

1212
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,599
turning on the alarm

1213
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,200
there's now muddy boot prints that

1214
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,960
weren't there the night before

1215
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,280
my question to you and your audience is

1216
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,640
is that a threat

1217
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,040
and my response would be well it could

1218
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,640
be if it wanted to be so we better

1219
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,839
figure it out

1220
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,599
and that's where that threat narrative

1221
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,119
came from it's the fact that we

1222
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,359
don't know what this is we in order to

1223
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,880
determine what a threat is in

1224
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,880
in government speak there's two pieces

1225
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,720
of the equation you have to have

1226
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,440
intent versus capabilities now we've

1227
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,119
seen some of the capabilities

1228
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,839
which are pretty incredible we have no

1229
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,119
idea the intent

1230
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,760
so therefore it's a big question mark we

1231
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:16,160
can't say definitively that it is or it

1232
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:16,720
is not

1233
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,839
a threat so the prudent perspective to

1234
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,640
have is that

1235
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,319
well maybe we should try to figure it

1236
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,400
out and and again not trying to fear

1237
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,599
monger because i know there's a lot of

1238
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,800
people out there that

1239
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,400
consider themselves quote unquote

1240
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,079
experiencers and they say oh no it's

1241
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,599
great it's wonderful

1242
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,280
but what about for those that it's not

1243
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,640
so great and wonderful for those that

1244
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,480
have reported terrifying incidents

1245
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,680
for being taken a away against your own

1246
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,400
volition

1247
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,440
you know in in terms of of of an

1248
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,680
investigator which is my background

1249
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,480
if i take you somewhere and you call for

1250
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:49,599
an uber and you want to go to the

1251
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,000
airport

1252
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,640
but in the meantime i go and i take i

1253
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,000
take you to go pick up my clothes from

1254
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,040
the laundry and then i go get pizza

1255
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,640
whether it's a nice ride or not that's

1256
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,720
called kidnapping that's a felony it's

1257
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,440
illegal

1258
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,520
because i'm taking you somewhere against

1259
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,559
your free will

1260
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,319
and god forbid if i even touch you

1261
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,079
because i touch you now that's assault

1262
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,800
right these are crimes and i understand

1263
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,839
that people

1264
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,839
get very emotional about the whole idea

1265
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,839
about you know the threat narrative and

1266
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,359
lou you're fear-mongering

1267
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,440
no i'm not i've got two daughters and

1268
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,040
i'll be damned if you know

1269
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,480
i'm gonna i don't even trust their

1270
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,319
boyfriend so

1271
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,680
why in the hell would i trust something

1272
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,359
that that i have

1273
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,160
zero information on other than some of

1274
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,440
the capabilities

1275
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,359
that's that's just from my perspective

1276
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,680
with my background

1277
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,599
that's kind of my dna and that's kind of

1278
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:40,079
the dna of the department of defense and

1279
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,800
frankly

1280
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,640
i would submit to you want them to be

1281
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,800
that way you don't want them taking

1282
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,400
chances just because

1283
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:49,040
we don't know something i don't think i

1284
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,240
think it's too early to make a

1285
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,079
presumption one way or the other

1286
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,760
i i think we need more data i think we

1287
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,760
need more information in order that we

1288
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,599
can make that determination

1289
00:53:01,109 --> 00:53:00,000
and then decide what we want to do as as

1290
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,119
as a society as

1291
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:04,000
a people as a country yeah i uh i'm a

1292
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,040
military brat

1293
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:08,079
my dad did 30 years in the army um i

1294
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,880
lived on

1295
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,880
uh bases all around the country all

1296
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,079
around the world

1297
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,760
and uh i totally respect uh the military

1298
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,040
in the military life

1299
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:19,680
it's it's it's an awesome experience uh

1300
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,240
with that

1301
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,119
but my dad never fired a gun he was band

1302
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,640
leader in the army band

1303
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:27,200
so let me just say that hey you know

1304
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:28,240
what

1305
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,000
he was smarter than me i i often thought

1306
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:34,240
that he he kind of outsmarted everybody

1307
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:34,960
on that one

1308
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:37,760
um uh he didn't do anything after basic

1309
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:38,559
training

1310
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,400
but but that being said was there any

1311
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,480
is the department of defense in any

1312
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:47,599
branch

1313
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:51,520
sitting on knowledge of of threats

1314
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,800
has there been any hostile activity that

1315
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,599
would warrant the threat narrative

1316
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,640
so that's it grin great question jimmy

1317
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,520
because

1318
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:04,000
the term threat there can be something

1319
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,200
like

1320
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:07,119
in terms of a direct threat which we all

1321
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,480
kind of imagine being like a foreign

1322
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,599
adversarial threat

1323
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,559
but then there's indirect threats um

1324
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,400
another analogy i like to use

1325
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,400
that you know they have a fence around

1326
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,440
around the

1327
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,520
tarmac of an airport so people don't get

1328
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,359
too close

1329
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,440
partly that is up there for your own

1330
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,520
protection obviously if if i get too

1331
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,720
close to a 747 about to take off

1332
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,359
there's going to be injuries i'm going

1333
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:33,040
to probably get burned i might go deaf

1334
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,079
because of the

1335
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:38,000
the sound and the acoustic uh if you

1336
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,200
will signature

1337
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,319
um that is a biological threat um

1338
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,680
it may not be a purple intentful threat

1339
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,119
by the aircraft to harm

1340
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,920
me but it there's an environmental issue

1341
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,960
there and so

1342
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,480
i think a lot of people look and say

1343
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,200
well was there any provocative action

1344
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,480
by by one of these uaps well

1345
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,319
that depends what is your definition of

1346
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,680
provocative because

1347
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:04,880
for me if if i'm flying an f-18 at

1348
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,920
cruising altitude let's say at mach

1349
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,400
1 and all of a sudden something is

1350
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,400
approaching my aircraft

1351
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,160
at a much greater speed and comes within

1352
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,680
50 feet of my aircraft

1353
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,760
well that's an air safety issue you know

1354
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,920
that's not a direct threat in the way of

1355
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,760
a hostility that this thing is trying to

1356
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,359
shoot you or shoot you down

1357
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,839
but there's still a threat to safety so

1358
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,280
you know it's

1359
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,480
as we unpackage this term threat

1360
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,400
it's really not quite that simple

1361
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:33,680
there's a lot of different

1362
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,359
layers and strata to to that term threat

1363
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,799
some of it is a direct some of it is

1364
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,240
indirect some of it is unintentional

1365
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,680
some of it may be intentional

1366
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,839
um i think what you're asking me and

1367
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,200
please correct me if i'm wrong

1368
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,400
has there been any direct provocation by

1369
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:50,799
a ufo uap

1370
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,000
against a dod or a us government

1371
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,920
equity is that correct yeah has anybody

1372
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:57,119
shot at each other

1373
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,799
have you seen any reports is is the

1374
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,040
department of defense in any branch

1375
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,119
sitting on this have you seen any of it

1376
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,160
i have seen data that suggests that

1377
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,760
they have uh these these uap have a

1378
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,640
ability a direct ability to interfere

1379
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,280
with our

1380
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:20,480
nuclear strike capability uh both in

1381
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,119
defense

1382
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,480
and in in response to a a

1383
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,599
a nuclear threat so for me

1384
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,200
anything that has the ability to

1385
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,359
interfere with that um

1386
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,559
could be could be problematic um

1387
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,480
put it this way if you and i were to go

1388
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,079
walk onto uh

1389
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,880
uh you know let's say oscar or november

1390
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,640
site up in in

1391
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,119
you know the part of my northern part of

1392
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,000
montana

1393
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:48,160
you and i would be quickly surrounded by

1394
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,040
uh

1395
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:51,359
people with a lot of machine guns and

1396
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,160
probably

1397
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,000
uh escorted away very quickly and

1398
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,400
questioned quite rigorously right

1399
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,920
because that's a potential threat

1400
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,599
perceived threat to our national

1401
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,400
uh capability response capability well

1402
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:04,400
these things have the ability seemingly

1403
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,040
to

1404
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,760
fly over our area without impunity and

1405
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,599
have the ability to interfere with our

1406
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,200
capability and

1407
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:13,200
if it's not scary enough that they have

1408
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,240
the ability to take

1409
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,520
our systems offline we have information

1410
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,799
that over in russia

1411
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:21,599
it actually uh interfered and brought

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those

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so that's that's a whole

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different equation now we're talking

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about

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um and i think i'll probably i'll leave

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00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,200
it at that

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00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,680
okay there you go we we need to take a a

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00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,280
quick break here

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00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,839
um and when we come back uh we'll

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continue the conversation

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except we're going to change a little

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bit of a direction

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having fun you got it let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church i don't think

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we're getting to phone calls tonight i'm

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watching the phone lines light up

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that's not going to happen

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[Laughter]

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they might hate you more than to hate me

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now

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you don't think they're called that's

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right that's right our guest tonight lou

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elizondo i'm your host jimmy church on

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and kgra the planet stay with us we'll

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight lou

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elizondo is here i want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night

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daryl anka bashar is here and thursday

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night's fader night

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open lines but we are also going to do

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our conscious life expo 2021 special

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and uh tonight it's all about lou though

1578
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,280
and

1579
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a great conversation so far lou i want

1580
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:53,039
to back up a little bit

1581
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:56,799
and my concern has always been

1582
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,160
the ufo community and and and what it

1583
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:01,440
represents

1584
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:05,200
and the the ignoring

1585
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:10,319
of uh the ufo community uh by ttsa

1586
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:13,760
for me uh raised a lot of red flags

1587
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,119
is that something that you

1588
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,200
would have done differently over the

1589
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,359
last three years

1590
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:23,599
yeah i think hindsight being 2020 as we

1591
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,559
discussed uh

1592
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,559
is the greatest teacher of all you know

1593
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,760
i i

1594
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,480
i have never been a ufo guy other than

1595
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,079
working for the government i don't know

1596
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:34,960
anything about ufology or ufologists

1597
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,400
um it was a bit a bit of a baptism by

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01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,720
fire when i when i left the government

1599
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:43,280
um my focus has always been i've always

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01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,480
maintained this

1601
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,880
is is not the ufo community they have

1602
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,960
champions they have people already

1603
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,640
that have been engaging in this topic

1604
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:52,400
such as yourself as you said for 50

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01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,960
years

1606
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,960
right so i'm not going to change

1607
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,400
anybody's opinion

1608
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,559
my focus and the focus of chris mellon

1609
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:01,440
has always been the other 99.9

1610
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,440
of the population who's never really

1611
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:05,200
even heard about ufos or

1612
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:06,640
may have seen some sort of science

1613
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,280
fiction movie as a kid but never really

1614
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:11,039
paid attention to the topic because it

1615
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,640
was typically associated as being a

1616
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:14,079
fringe topic

1617
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,039
a topic that is somewhat taboo a lot of

1618
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,000
stigma associated with it

1619
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,559
my my focus was never the ufo community

1620
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,680
my focus was

1621
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,359
was everybody else you know ufo

1622
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,119
community has its champions

1623
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,599
already and i there's there's nothing

1624
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:31,039
that i'm going to do

1625
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,240
or say or show that is going to change

1626
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,640
the opinion or narrative of anybody in

1627
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,720
the ufo community it's a very

1628
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:40,960
it's a very emotionally charged

1629
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,839
community

1630
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,160
a lot of people have opinions it's like

1631
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:45,760
politics and religion right i'm not

1632
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:47,359
going to go into a catholic church

1633
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:50,079
and try to convert anybody that's that

1634
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,480
that's

1635
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,079
foolish why would i do that you know

1636
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,760
that's they already have their

1637
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,079
their their organized structure if you

1638
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:58,079
will and they're very happy with those

1639
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,039
narratives

1640
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,760
my my focus was trying to come in and

1641
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,359
bring this topic

1642
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,960
out of the out of this you know well

1643
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,640
she's upon out of the shadows

1644
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,880
and and really into the mainstream and

1645
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,119
that includes media right so

1646
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,440
having having major both liberal and

1647
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,200
conservative media outlets

1648
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:17,359
for the first time covering this and

1649
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:19,039
it's not political suicide for them

1650
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,480
right they're not chuckling and laughing

1651
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,400
under their breath and

1652
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,079
right you now have scientists and you

1653
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,240
have harvard professors and you have

1654
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:28,559
academics all coming forward now and

1655
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,520
saying you know what

1656
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:32,079
this is a serious topic and we need to

1657
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:33,680
have conversation about it

1658
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,880
now looking back could we have done

1659
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,799
better with the ufo community

1660
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,280
sure absolutely but but i was never in

1661
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,960
the ufo community i wouldn't even know

1662
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,319
where to begin that's

1663
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,480
that's someone else's job let somebody

1664
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,240
who knows that world

1665
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,520
do that um you know i i have tried

1666
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:53,280
very hard in the last few months since

1667
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:54,799
i've left ttsa

1668
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:58,000
to engage the ufo community the reason

1669
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,480
for that

1670
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,160
is because there's a tremendous amount

1671
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,000
of talent i got to tell you jimmy

1672
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,240
one of the most incredible tools i've i

1673
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,000
have seen

1674
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:08,799
that has been truly awe-inspiring has

1675
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,000
been the emergence of this ufo twitter

1676
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,720
this is a group of people who come from

1677
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,760
all walks of life

1678
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,400
all socio-economic backgrounds all race

1679
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,000
color religions are there

1680
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,640
and makes making this more exciting is

1681
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:24,160
that you have actually senior members of

1682
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,280
the government

1683
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,960
that are actually now part of the

1684
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,520
conversation and getting a pulse for

1685
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:32,480
for this topic i mean how wonderful that

1686
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,039
is

1687
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:35,200
that we can finally have conversation

1688
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,160
about this

1689
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,240
in an elevated way even with other world

1690
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:40,400
leaders japan just jumped on board with

1691
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,359
the america

1692
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,280
in a bilateral relationship information

1693
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:45,359
sharing relationship about ufos

1694
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:48,640
i mean jimmy i i don't know what to tell

1695
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:48,960
you

1696
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:52,319
that's that for me is is one hell of an

1697
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:53,599
achievement and that's not an

1698
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,480
achievement that

1699
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,839
ptsa or myself or any single one person

1700
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,839
or organization can take credit for

1701
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,160
that's everybody's win that's your win

1702
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:03,839
that's your audience's win that's our

1703
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:04,640
win that's

1704
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,760
the collective win of all of us

1705
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,480
but let me jump in that's what tta

1706
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,229
all of that support all of it by saying

1707
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,759
you know we don't care about the ufo

1708
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,359
community they don't know what's going

1709
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,400
on with them

1710
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,239
that's not entirely true because let's

1711
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,319
face it i the very first conference i

1712
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,000
ever did was for mufon

1713
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:28,000
and the second conference i ever did was

1714
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,279
for the scu

1715
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,799
so i mean it wasn't that i was

1716
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,359
alienating or we were trying to alienate

1717
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,960
anybody purposefully

1718
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:37,520
but you know you had a small enclave of

1719
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,000
people

1720
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,759
sitting over here on the side called the

1721
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,359
ufo community

1722
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:43,359
and then you had this four and a half

1723
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,799
billion other people

1724
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,640
out there that's never even heard about

1725
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,199
ufos or thought that they were

1726
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,920
so yeah i agree with you 100 that

1727
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,640
probably

1728
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,880
you know looking back we could have done

1729
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:57,199
a much better job engaging

1730
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,560
um and i i you know i sincerely and

1731
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,319
truly and humbly apologize for anybody

1732
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,080
who may have felt they were left out

1733
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,799
um at the time i did not control my own

1734
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,759
media

1735
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,640
um now i do and i think you're seeing a

1736
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,319
lot more engagement

1737
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,199
on behalf of chris and myself to engage

1738
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,520
uh the community in this topic

1739
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,159
um but yeah i mean we sure sure as hell

1740
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,839
could have done a lot better job in the

1741
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,159
in the early days um but you know you

1742
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,520
don't know what you don't know and

1743
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,560
and i think we're we're we're trying to

1744
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,400
make up for some of that lost ground

1745
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,839
perhaps at least that's what we're

1746
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:32,799
trying to do now

1747
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,920
uh thank you for that uh very early on

1748
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:39,520
um as i looked at

1749
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,880
um and i want you to really listen to

1750
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:45,040
what i'm about to say but i looked at

1751
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:48,640
the the staff at and

1752
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:51,520
uh 10 or 12 uh that were listed on the

1753
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:52,239
website

1754
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,320
and uh 10 out of that 12

1755
01:10:02,950 --> 01:09:59,520
were from an agency right

1756
01:10:04,030 --> 01:10:02,960
okay so we're talking about the cia the

1757
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,040
department of defense and

1758
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,760
counterintelligence and

1759
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,679
and so forth and you know from the top

1760
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:09,840
down from semi-van down

1761
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:13,280
um you had a medical uh brain specialist

1762
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,320
from the cia

1763
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,880
right okay and and i'm looking at that

1764
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:19,679
and i'm thinking to myself

1765
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:23,920
if my company my company my corporation

1766
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,840
that i own had that same staffing

1767
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:30,000
the hammer would come down on me from

1768
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,120
the community

1769
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,520
that this i can appreciate that jimmy

1770
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,520
but let's face it your your industry is

1771
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,040
full of experts in your field

1772
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,520
you're you do a radio show and you have

1773
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,560
you i'm sure

1774
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:43,280
maybe i'm wrong but i'm sure you have uh

1775
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,760
you know

1776
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:46,320
media experts on your staff and editing

1777
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:46,960
experts

1778
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,600
you need to do your mission and from my

1779
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,520
perspective let's not forget that atip

1780
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,920
was an intelligent function at least

1781
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,239
from the time i came in from 2008 until

1782
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,320
the time i left in 2017

1783
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,239
it still remains under the uap test

1784
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:06,239
force an intelligence function

1785
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,840
under the dod so naturally anybody who's

1786
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,120
going to have any expertise or

1787
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,199
experience in this within the government

1788
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,719
comes from the intelligence community

1789
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:16,560
and yeah i i know it's startling people

1790
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,520
look at that and say hey what the hell

1791
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:19,280
is going on here wait is this some sort

1792
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,760
of

1793
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,280
psychological operation being run

1794
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,520
against us it's not it's just that

1795
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,960
that's where the core density of

1796
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,800
expertise lays

1797
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,560
and it's you know had it been like i

1798
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,320
said under the department of energy or

1799
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:32,080
the department of interior or health and

1800
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,120
human services

1801
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,960
maybe we'd have a bunch of doctors

1802
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,120
instead of spooks on on staff

1803
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,360
and that's that's highly probable but

1804
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,679
it's just the fact that the atip

1805
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,760
was an intelligence capability and

1806
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:45,199
remained within the intelligence

1807
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,159
apparatus

1808
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,239
i i don't think it's that much of a

1809
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:50,080
stretch for people to recognize

1810
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,280
that's where you're going to get that

1811
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,960
expertise and the only way we're going

1812
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,600
to break

1813
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,600
down the barriers and the

1814
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,520
misunderstanding and the mistrust is by

1815
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:58,800
doing exactly this

1816
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,760
having honest dialogue communication ask

1817
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,880
us anything you want

1818
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:04,719
can't say for them ask me anything you

1819
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,000
want and i will do my honest very best

1820
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,239
to tell you what i know as long as i

1821
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,080
don't violate my security oath

1822
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:14,000
or frankly i have the answer because

1823
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:15,120
there's going to be some questions i'm

1824
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,600
sure

1825
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,040
that's frankly i don't know and i'll

1826
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,640
tell you that so

1827
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:21,440
that's that's why exactly why you see me

1828
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,000
doing

1829
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:25,120
shows like yours because we realize that

1830
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:28,400
we have spent too long not explaining

1831
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,120
our position

1832
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,960
we probably could have done a better job

1833
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:32,880
explaining our position earlier on

1834
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,560
and demystifying a lot of this um

1835
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,719
but you know yeah i get it well yeah you

1836
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:40,480
know the you know the perception

1837
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,760
uh you know it's always us and

1838
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,679
not only the ufo community but the

1839
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,920
united states uh citizens

1840
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,920
it's us against them it's us against the

1841
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:52,320
man it it will always be presented that

1842
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,880
way

1843
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:55,360
and when it comes to oh my fortune i

1844
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,920
mean

1845
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,600
you're right jimmy that's absolutely the

1846
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,840
perception and and we see it all the

1847
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,280
time on the nightly news

1848
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,480
but please understand that 99.9

1849
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:05,840
of the americans that work in the

1850
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,080
government are just like you and me

1851
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,760
they're patriots they have mortgages to

1852
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:11,120
pay they love their children you know

1853
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:12,640
they're not eating babies on the street

1854
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,199
corner

1855
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,560
you know they're fighting and winning

1856
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,640
wars on our behalf they're just like

1857
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,800
your father your father was in the army

1858
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,480
that's exactly like everybody i've ever

1859
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,320
run into into the pentagon they want to

1860
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,600
do a good job

1861
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:26,000
yeah they make mistakes yeah the system

1862
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:27,199
fails sometimes because of the

1863
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,480
bureaucracy

1864
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,040
but but all in all it's filled with

1865
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,880
really good people and i think when we

1866
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,719
we make the mistake of saying

1867
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:37,360
the government let's not forget the

1868
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,480
government serves

1869
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,400
us we the people not the other way

1870
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:42,400
around if we have a problem with

1871
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,040
government

1872
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,440
then it's up to us to change it let's

1873
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,360
stop bitching and sitting back on our

1874
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,880
lawn chairs and saying i don't like the

1875
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,800
man you don't like it vote somebody who

1876
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,000
you do on in

1877
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,560
well be quiet get dressed up and and

1878
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:56,320
have have a conversation with somebody

1879
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:57,280
and vote somebody in

1880
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,719
that you do trust that will make the

1881
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:00,400
changes that you want i don't disagree

1882
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,960
with you

1883
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,800
by the way jimmy i i understand the

1884
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,000
perception

1885
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:06,000
very well because i've lived it every

1886
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,280
time i walk into a room

1887
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,199
and i'm wearing a suit i can see people

1888
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,320
scatter like like

1889
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,719
like mice oh god here comes here comes

1890
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,800
the spooks right um

1891
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,199
but in reality it's you i think you're

1892
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,040
giving us far too much credit

1893
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,880
than we deserve well you don't you don't

1894
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,560
look you don't look too

1895
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:24,560
spookish by the way you've

1896
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:26,840
[Laughter]

1897
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,229
there's the other side of this and and i

1898
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:36,000
know you've heard it so let's address it

1899
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:36,880
now

1900
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:40,320
that that tom was

1901
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,000
uh brought in because of his influence

1902
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,199
in the entertainment world and was used

1903
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,640
as as a front for a cia

1904
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,000
operation to bring this info in

1905
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:56,800
to the world and and it's kind of hard

1906
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,600
to not have that argument is it

1907
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:01,600
well let me ask you to what purpose why

1908
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,480
would we spend millions of dollars

1909
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,880
to run a campaign against the american

1910
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,159
people

1911
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,480
just to fool them is it is it just to

1912
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,560
play a joke a funny joke and in 10 years

1913
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:14,400
the truth comes out we say ha ha fooled

1914
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,199
you guys

1915
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,280
i mean that doesn't really make sense

1916
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:19,440
that's that's not what we spent taxpayer

1917
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,560
dollars on now i

1918
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:22,000
understand that people make the claim

1919
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:24,000
hey tom was brought in and frankly i

1920
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,520
don't know the answer to that because i

1921
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,679
wasn't part of ttsa back then

1922
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,840
i wasn't one of the founding members so

1923
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,679
i really don't know

1924
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:33,679
if tom found the people or the people

1925
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,719
found tom

1926
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,719
i really don't know but at the end of

1927
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:39,040
the day if we're getting disclosure

1928
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,880
i'm good with it i really don't don't

1929
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,640
care either way because

1930
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:45,360
it's working um and if we happen by the

1931
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,920
way just

1932
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,440
just for argument's sake let's say we

1933
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,040
did have some friends in the cia

1934
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:51,120
that wanted to bring about disclosure

1935
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,400
well you know what

1936
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,880
thank you i'm i'm pretty happy with that

1937
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,159
you know we're getting what we wanted

1938
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:57,920
and people will say well you know it's a

1939
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,640
psy up

1940
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,960
or do i don't know i don't know what

1941
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:02,320
else to say why

1942
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,920
i mean i guess use common sense why

1943
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:08,239
would we be doing this

1944
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:10,800
just just to deceive americans my point

1945
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,280
is there's

1946
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,520
there's no reason to do it do i hide

1947
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,199
super secret technology well

1948
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,800
we do that all the time we have

1949
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,159
technology that won't see the light of

1950
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,159
day for the next 25 30 years

1951
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,920
i don't need to have a public campaign

1952
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,440
to deceive americans

1953
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,960
i mean that's silly i'll just keep keep

1954
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:26,800
my stuff at area 51 and you'll never see

1955
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:27,280
it

1956
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:34,000
uh understood except there's always a

1957
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:35,840
but right there's always about

1958
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:39,679
but um the

1959
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:43,840
the government washington dc in any form

1960
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:47,679
has not been forthwith or honest about

1961
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,080
what

1962
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:51,120
they know or do not know about ufos

1963
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:54,480
for at least 70 years and i agree

1964
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:57,280
and i i agree with you jimmy 100 and now

1965
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,000
and so that's

1966
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,640
that is exactly why i am doing what i'm

1967
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:01,199
doing

1968
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:04,800
you're absolutely correct so today

1969
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,760
why should we put our trust in the man

1970
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:08,880
when

1971
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,760
it has been the opposite for so long you

1972
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,800
know

1973
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:15,280
it's crazy yes you don't have to trust

1974
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,239
the man

1975
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:18,719
because we are getting the results we

1976
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:19,840
collectively

1977
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,640
the the community the ufo community ufo

1978
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,520
twitter the

1979
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,920
the american population we're getting

1980
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,080
the answers we're getting our our senior

1981
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,760
elected officials engaged or receiving

1982
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:31,520
classified briefings about the reality

1983
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,159
of these things

1984
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:34,080
you have the establishment of a uap task

1985
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,600
force you think the government

1986
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,920
wants to go after this hell no this

1987
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,080
thing is radioactive this is a

1988
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:43,199
a traditionally a toxic portfolio for

1989
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,560
anybody to manage

1990
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,239
that they're they're doing this

1991
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,000
begrudgingly so

1992
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,320
you know i my response to that is you

1993
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:52,000
know if you don't want to trust a man

1994
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,199
then don't

1995
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,080
but you're getting the results we when

1996
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:58,080
you say the man you have to

1997
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,360
look in the mirror because to some

1998
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:02,000
degree we collectively are making this

1999
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,719
happen

2000
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,560
this is not the man just coming forward

2001
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,760
and say hey let me fool the american

2002
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,480
people and

2003
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,719
and we're going to lay off disclosure no

2004
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:10,239
it has been people don't realize the

2005
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,440
sacrifice it took

2006
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,080
to even get to where we are now i mean

2007
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,679
it has been brutal i

2008
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,000
i i will tell you i will talk about

2009
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,320
myself the journey i've had to be on

2010
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,640
but let me tell you there's a lot easier

2011
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,719
ways to do a psychological operation

2012
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,640
against a target then this way

2013
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,719
if you ever were to do one this should

2014
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,480
be the last way you'd ever want to do it

2015
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:31,840
it's expensive

2016
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,520
uh there's there's a lot of liability

2017
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,760
a lot of exposure and there's too much

2018
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,199
at risk

2019
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:41,040
because if it ever got out that this

2020
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,320
let's just say for argument's sake this

2021
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,159
was some sort of psyop

2022
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,000
you'd have to fire half of the executive

2023
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,080
branch and bring them up on charges

2024
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,760
probably of sedition to be honest with

2025
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,199
you so

2026
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:54,159
you know again i i would i would tell

2027
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,120
people that if

2028
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,600
if if you're if you're upset with with

2029
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,679
the man and you think that this is

2030
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,840
this is an effort by the man to to fool

2031
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:03,679
you i would say look in the mirror

2032
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:04,400
because

2033
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:12,800
that is who who the government works for

2034
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:13,199
and

2035
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,719
again i know i get a little bit animated

2036
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,080
when i say hey if you don't like the

2037
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,400
government then get up and change it

2038
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,719
but that's that's sincere i'm not just

2039
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,719
saying that we ultimately

2040
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,480
the failure and success of any

2041
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:26,800
government is is a reflection on its

2042
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,360
people

2043
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,880
and we are the ones who make those

2044
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,640
decisions not the government i wish

2045
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:31,920
everybody could see

2046
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,800
uh lou uh you can't but he's getting

2047
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:36,080
very animated

2048
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,910
that's i've always that way i'd like to

2049
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:43,440
read a quote to you real quick

2050
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,760
a buddy of mine sent me a quote jimmy go

2051
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,040
ahead and uh

2052
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:49,280
and uh and talk but there's something i

2053
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,719
want to share with you

2054
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:53,360
and let me um okay while you're pulling

2055
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,080
that up

2056
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:57,040
here's here's the next question if we go

2057
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:57,520
back

2058
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:01,520
to um the live presentation

2059
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:04,719
and the announcement of ttsa

2060
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:07,360
you resigned i believe the day before

2061
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,239
right and your

2062
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:10,239
resignation letter um you can correct me

2063
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:11,679
if i'm wrong but i think that's

2064
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:15,040
how it went down and you resigned

2065
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,560
and and went over to ttsa um

2066
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:21,679
just recently the uap task force

2067
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:25,280
is is put together and you leave

2068
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,120
ttsa at the same time and that leaves me

2069
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,280
backing up saying hmm

2070
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,440
i think lou's got something to do with

2071
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:35,199
the uap task force

2072
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:39,440
this is beyond coincidence am i wrong

2073
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,890
um no you're not wrong

2074
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:43,600
[Laughter]

2075
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,320
um you know i uh i i want to be careful

2076
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,320
not to say too much it's still the uap

2077
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:51,920
task force is in a bit of a

2078
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,400
uh a delicate state right now um it

2079
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:55,760
still needs to get on its feet

2080
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:58,400
so i i don't want to say anything um

2081
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,120
there's some

2082
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:01,199
incredible fine men and women in that

2083
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,639
organization right now

2084
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,159
uh who are friends of mine who are

2085
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:06,080
frankly on the a-tip journey with me and

2086
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:06,880
so

2087
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:10,480
um you know much of the credit really

2088
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:11,520
belongs to them

2089
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,320
okay well the answer is yes okay what

2090
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:16,080
what's the quote you wanted to read to

2091
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,960
us

2092
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,639
so this is a quote from george

2093
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:20,320
washington it's not very long it says

2094
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:23,280
government is not reason it is not

2095
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,000
eloquent

2096
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:27,120
it is force like fire it is a dangerous

2097
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:27,760
servant

2098
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:30,560
and a fearful master experience has

2099
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,120
taught us

2100
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,520
that it is much easier to prevent an

2101
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:35,840
enemy from posting themselves

2102
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,480
than it is to dislodge them after they

2103
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,840
have got possession

2104
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:41,920
and when the freedom of speech is taken

2105
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:42,960
away

2106
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,239
then dumb and silent we may be led

2107
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,639
like sheep to the slaughter that was

2108
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:49,840
george washington

2109
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,080
and so there is a natural distrust

2110
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,560
with government uh that has that has

2111
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,239
been around forever this is not just a

2112
01:22:03,510 --> 01:21:59,600
ufo

2113
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:03,520
experienced that was said by george

2114
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,320
washington

2115
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,400
who you know was was one of the founding

2116
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,120
fathers of this of this great nation so

2117
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,880
i think healthy distrust is okay

2118
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,600
where i draw the line is paranoia

2119
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,600
distrust right

2120
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,280
that's why we have checks and balances

2121
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,800
we always want to make sure

2122
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,040
we want to mind the minders so to speak

2123
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,880
and that's really up to the people to do

2124
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,639
uh you know your show is a perfect

2125
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,239
example of that you know you

2126
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,360
your your job is to call out uh

2127
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,920
something when you see there is some

2128
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,600
sort of malfeasance or some sort of

2129
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:36,560
injustice

2130
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:38,320
in whatever it is you're the show you're

2131
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,000
doing um

2132
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,760
that's precisely what we should be doing

2133
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,760
that that that is exactly our job as the

2134
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:44,560
people

2135
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,679
governed we we

2136
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:49,679
govern the government that's how it

2137
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:51,679
should be and so that's why when

2138
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,960
when i talk to people with my

2139
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:54,719
counterintelligence background

2140
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,840
um you know my my first thing

2141
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,920
that i say back to them is you know if

2142
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:01,600
you distrust the government then change

2143
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:02,239
that

2144
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,600
because the government is is a

2145
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,679
reflection of you um

2146
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,440
and and it's you know it's not that hard

2147
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,840
to do just get up and vote for somebody

2148
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,360
it's you know or join the government

2149
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,040
yourself and make the changes yourself

2150
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,920
now uh i want to talk about susan galf

2151
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,040
of for a second

2152
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,800
uh you knew this was going to come up at

2153
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,360
some point tonight

2154
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,520
so much so much with susan could be

2155
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:24,800
discussed but

2156
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:28,719
but there was one point um

2157
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:32,400
that she addressed more than once

2158
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:36,239
and that was you and atip had nothing to

2159
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,719
do

2160
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:39,520
with each other and she drove that point

2161
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,960
home

2162
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,280
let's talk about that for a second well

2163
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,800
first of all she said that

2164
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,400
she said that a tip had nothing to do

2165
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,560
with ufos right so

2166
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,960
well like i said there there's many

2167
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,800
things we can talk about with susan

2168
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,920
a lot of layers and look i i

2169
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,920
these people come and go uh dana white

2170
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,520
already confirmed who i was where i

2171
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:01,199
worked so did senator harry reid

2172
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:04,560
senator bob bigelow so did hal put off

2173
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,040
there's a document from 2009 from the

2174
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,960
senate with my name on it for a tip it

2175
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,040
says in black and white a tip it says

2176
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,880
part of the read on for this program and

2177
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,960
i was a senior civilian at the time so

2178
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:16,480
the documentation is there there's

2179
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:18,000
there's there's right now a lot of folks

2180
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,520
in the media that actually have emails

2181
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:20,719
they've been able to get the freedom of

2182
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,679
information act

2183
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:23,360
there was actually an air force osi

2184
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,880
investigation that said you know lou

2185
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,159
elizondo was

2186
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,920
being the director of atip when they

2187
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:29,679
tried to investigate me to see if i did

2188
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,120
any type of malfeasance

2189
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:32,960
the answer was the result was no i

2190
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,560
didn't do anything wrong but in there it

2191
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,639
says specifically that elizondo was

2192
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,639
was you know discussing about the a-tip

2193
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:40,400
program the ufo program when he was part

2194
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,120
of it so

2195
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,880
the long story short i'm going to save

2196
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:44,639
you a whole long

2197
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,239
you know discussion about it but i

2198
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,239
i'm confident with myself again i don't

2199
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,600
i don't really give a damn what people

2200
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,199
think about me that's that's not why i'm

2201
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,920
doing this i could have saved my

2202
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,920
three years ago people now the

2203
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,679
information that's coming forward

2204
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:01,280
you know i i could have done three years

2205
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,639
ago but i would have done it at the

2206
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,400
expense of people on the inside and i'm

2207
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:06,080
not that kind of guy i am not going to

2208
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,440
throw somebody under the bus

2209
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:10,080
or expose somebody just to save my own

2210
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:11,679
credibility or save my own ass

2211
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:14,719
so um if people are expecting that from

2212
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:15,360
me

2213
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,600
there's enough substantial information

2214
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,960
out there dana white

2215
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,280
already confirmed it uh and then you

2216
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,199
have this susan go who comes in

2217
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:26,880
and frankly excuse my language but

2218
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:28,080
doesn't know her ass from a hole in the

2219
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,040
ground

2220
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:31,040
i don't know where she's getting fed

2221
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,239
this information

2222
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,239
uh because one day she says atip has

2223
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,239
nothing to do with ufos and it comes

2224
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,000
back and says oh yes it does and

2225
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,600
before that i think they said well it

2226
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,360
was advanced aviation when it was and it

2227
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,440
was always advanced aerospace

2228
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,800
the number of times that they have

2229
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,480
flip-flopped back and forth at this

2230
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:48,000
point even more important there's

2231
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:48,719
there's a

2232
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:52,159
reporter that recently got an email

2233
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,920
where they said well what does it matter

2234
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:55,199
what lou did anyways because that was

2235
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,080
three years ago

2236
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:58,719
basically trying to pass a buck so um

2237
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,440
you know

2238
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,239
if anybody wants to know what i did i i

2239
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:04,000
i highly doubt that that

2240
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,679
the committees on the hill would ever

2241
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,679
let me in and i'd still have a security

2242
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:09,120
clearance to brief about atip

2243
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,880
if i was never part of the program right

2244
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:12,400
and it wasn't about ufos i mean

2245
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,520
that's just common sense and my current

2246
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,440
involvement with individuals

2247
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,920
uh that were part of that program i mean

2248
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,960
it

2249
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,360
at this point you'd have to do such

2250
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,719
mental gymnastics

2251
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,719
to try to explain that away i wouldn't

2252
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,320
even know where to start so

2253
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,320
uh my my bigger concern on this whole

2254
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,440
issue that's that's

2255
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,520
not about me is the fact that the

2256
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,639
department of defense

2257
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,880
still can't get their story straight

2258
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,480
that for me is a problem because it's

2259
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,760
either a willful

2260
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,840
and if it's willful we got a problem

2261
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,199
right or it's

2262
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:45,679
pure dysfunction and if it's dysfunction

2263
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:46,880
we still got a problem

2264
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:49,679
right so either way that needs to be

2265
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,239
fixed

2266
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:52,000
so either fire the people that are in

2267
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,360
there now that are not doing their job

2268
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,800
or don't know how to do it

2269
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,719
or you get somebody to come in from down

2270
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,239
above and shake them and say

2271
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,560
stop doing that stop playing games

2272
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:02,000
because all you're doing is sewing the

2273
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:03,360
seat of distrust with the american

2274
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,000
people

2275
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,159
you're actually breaking down the

2276
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,760
credibility and authority of the

2277
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:09,120
department of defense when you do that

2278
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,080
when you have a

2279
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,480
a senator the senior senator of our

2280
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,760
country come out and say

2281
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,920
hi i mean i don't know what else you

2282
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,840
need he was the guy who started this

2283
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,600
program to begin with

2284
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,679
but again jimmy this conversation

2285
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,360
shouldn't be about me this is

2286
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,840
this is precisely part of the problem we

2287
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:27,280
should be talking about the big issue

2288
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:27,760
here

2289
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,880
about ufo disclosure otherwise you know

2290
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:32,639
i'll start my own radio show and i'll

2291
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,159
make it all about me

2292
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,639
that's not what what that's not why i

2293
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,400
got into this and i knew

2294
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,880
going in that i was going to face a

2295
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,760
tremendous

2296
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,159
amount of pushback i knew this was going

2297
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:45,840
to happen in fact i stated it very

2298
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,639
clearly

2299
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,400
i think it was maybe even at the mufon

2300
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,639
um several years ago i said here's

2301
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:51,760
what's going to happen

2302
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:54,480
first of all uh they're going to admit

2303
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,880
yes

2304
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:56,080
and then they're going to realize what

2305
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:57,280
they just did and they're going to come

2306
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,400
back and

2307
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:00,159
they're going to deny it and then when

2308
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,520
they can't deny it they're gonna make

2309
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:03,040
counter accusations against me and then

2310
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,000
when they can't do that

2311
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,080
they're gonna try to ignore it and all

2312
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:07,920
these things have exactly played out

2313
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,040
it's almost like a playbook um

2314
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,880
precisely as i predicted and so now

2315
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:14,000
they're at the point where they're just

2316
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,639
saying

2317
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,840
we don't want to talk about it let's

2318
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:17,360
move on to the next week's thing yeah

2319
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:18,560
uaps

2320
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,679
yeah a tip okay elizondo but let's let's

2321
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:23,120
let's talk about something else and

2322
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:23,679
that's

2323
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,800
latest mo

2324
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:29,199
now well we need to take our break and

2325
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,239
let's go ahead and do that

2326
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,639
now our guest tonight louis lozando and

2327
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,840
lou when we come back

2328
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,000
i want to talk about how investigating a

2329
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:38,480
ufo and a ufo report goes down

2330
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:41,360
we will do all of that next this is fade

2331
01:28:55,900 --> 01:28:42,880
to black i'm yours jimmy church

2332
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:55,910
stay with us we'll be right back

2333
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:05,990
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2334
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,040
you're listening to fade to black

2335
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,960
always on the edge of the hottest

2336
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alternative talk

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[Applause]

2338
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,950
do you want to be an official fate or

2339
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,040
not of course you do

2340
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this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2341
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2343
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2344
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future of our country and where we're

2345
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headed do you wonder about the food

2346
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supply

2347
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chain could be

2348
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disastrous and they usually occur with

2349
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little warning

2350
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:57,840
that's why the smartest thing you can do

2351
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,800
today is to stockpile emergency food

2352
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:03,840
water and other essentials i personally

2353
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:04,480
recommend

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my patriot supply they're the nation's

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in fact they're the only source my

2359
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family trusts for

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our preparedness plan you should too

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doesn't it especially now so go to

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that's preparedwithjimmy.com there's no

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[Music]

2384
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:29,030
you are listening to fate to black with

2385
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:36,310
hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

2386
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:37,440
jimmy church

2387
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:40,560
this is revolution the revolution will

2388
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not be televised

2389
01:32:28,149 --> 01:31:59,830
ciao

2390
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,910
welcome back fade to black i am your

2391
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:31,600
host jimmy church tonight our guest

2392
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:34,400
is lou elizondo we'll get to more with

2393
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:36,159
lou in just a second i want to talk to

2394
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go and do it now our guest tonight lou

2418
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,080
elizondo

2419
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,280
and uh okay lou help help me understand

2420
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:34,000
i'm so fascinated with this when the

2421
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:35,120
announcement

2422
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:38,159
uh it came december 17th in the new york

2423
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:39,840
times 2017

2424
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,560
about you know the secret ufo program uh

2425
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:44,159
at the pentagon

2426
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:47,840
i'm picturing in my mind

2427
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,880
offices in the e-wing right in the

2428
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:52,239
e-ring

2429
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:54,320
it was actually the c-ring but but okay

2430
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:55,280
okay so far

2431
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,320
okay okay so you did have offices

2432
01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:01,199
in the pentagon yeah absolutely in in

2433
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,159
the c-ring

2434
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:04,400
and and how did that how did that how

2435
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:05,600
did that go down

2436
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:08,719
um would you have uh

2437
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:12,080
different uh incident reports come in

2438
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:15,440
uh the door uh you know how how did that

2439
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:16,080
happen in

2440
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:19,120
and yeah and how many investigators were

2441
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:22,000
were working under you to do these

2442
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,520
investigations

2443
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:25,840
sure well i prefer to say with me um

2444
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:27,360
anybody who's ever worked with me

2445
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:28,560
knows that i run a very flat

2446
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:30,880
organization we're a team um

2447
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,679
so even though i was the senior guy and

2448
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:35,040
technically in charge

2449
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,880
we really made decisions collectively

2450
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:39,040
they were it was it was really a mutual

2451
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,760
effort

2452
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:41,520
and think of an onion you have a at the

2453
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,639
very center of the onion you have your

2454
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,000
core group of people

2455
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:46,560
uh that are part of your organization

2456
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:48,159
and your effort and then as you go out

2457
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,119
in these layers

2458
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:51,840
uh subsequent layers of the onion you

2459
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:53,760
have support mechanisms you have people

2460
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:55,119
in different agencies that have certain

2461
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:56,639
amount of expertise and they might help

2462
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:58,320
you on this particular aspect or that

2463
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,320
particular aspect for example analyzing

2464
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:02,159
uh photographic evidence and

2465
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:05,119
and videos or taking reports from their

2466
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:07,040
organization and getting it to you

2467
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:09,280
you ask the question of how do we get

2468
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,400
information well

2469
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:13,040
the answer is not so simple we got it

2470
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:13,440
through

2471
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,840
multiple different ways anybody who's

2472
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:17,119
ever spent time in the government you

2473
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:18,400
know you have these these

2474
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,080
systems for to communicate back and

2475
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:22,080
forth from the headquarters out to the

2476
01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:22,719
field

2477
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:24,320
and some of these are unclassified

2478
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:25,760
systems some of these are classified

2479
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,639
networks

2480
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,760
and it depended really at

2481
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:31,040
where we were getting the information

2482
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,800
from uh for example

2483
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:35,040
um and i'm gonna say this uh in very

2484
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,639
vague terms i don't want anybody to say

2485
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,920
oh that's that's how it happened

2486
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,760
this is just an example you might get an

2487
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,360
email coming in

2488
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,159
uh on a on a on a secure network from

2489
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:45,920
let's say the captain of a ship

2490
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:48,320
and uh the email says something to the

2491
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:49,360
effect of hey

2492
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:51,119
um you know we're seeing some pretty

2493
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:52,960
weird stuff out here some pretty strange

2494
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:53,440
lights

2495
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,239
and we would really like your assistance

2496
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:57,679
on this we have some aircraft that took

2497
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,719
some footage

2498
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:00,400
we have a couple pilots that had eyes

2499
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,560
down on it we got some radar tracks

2500
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,639
and then of course you would send out

2501
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:06,560
the team or ask them to send you the

2502
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,760
information depending on what

2503
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:08,960
logistically

2504
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,400
was was um was more feasible right

2505
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:15,119
and so these this information would get

2506
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:16,560
collected and collated

2507
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:19,119
and then brought up to us where we would

2508
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,719
analyze it we would look at it and then

2509
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:22,400
if we had followed questions we could do

2510
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,199
that

2511
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,800
if we had to interview people we would

2512
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:27,199
do that um i'm i have got to be very

2513
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:27,840
careful

2514
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:31,040
here and not say who and how because

2515
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:32,800
those mechanisms i suspect are still

2516
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:35,119
being used by the task force today

2517
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:37,360
so i don't want to compromise those uh

2518
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,280
but it's really no different than

2519
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:41,440
than you'd expect in any other type of

2520
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,639
activity at the pentagon

2521
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:45,360
right so you have information coming in

2522
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:45,840
you have

2523
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:49,360
briefings being

2524
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:51,760
uh generated and then provided up to

2525
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:53,119
senior level management in this

2526
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,400
particular case

2527
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:56,880
very senior level management so there

2528
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:57,920
was

2529
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,119
uh an office door

2530
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:03,679
with a tip on the outside of the office

2531
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,719
door no

2532
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,560
absolutely not so i i had two

2533
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:08,560
responsibilities in the pentagon

2534
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:12,560
um i i often tell people um that

2535
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:14,080
in our generation you remember the life

2536
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,760
cereal commercial mikey

2537
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:17,119
the kid that they did oh we don't like

2538
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:18,239
this here give it to mikey he'll eat

2539
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,119
anything

2540
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,719
that was kind of my job they gave me

2541
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:23,360
every every crappy portfolio

2542
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,600
that nobody ever wanted to handle

2543
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,440
somehow it just found its way to me

2544
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,440
so at the time i was the director of

2545
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:31,199
national programs special management

2546
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:32,000
staff

2547
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:35,199
and i had one court mission for for the

2548
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:36,639
ousdi

2549
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:39,119
and then under the secretary of defense

2550
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,320
and his staff

2551
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:42,880
osd staff i had the other mission i had

2552
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,000
the a-tip mission

2553
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,760
uh there was not even for my primary

2554
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,440
portfolio my other portfolio there was

2555
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,040
never a sign on the door

2556
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:50,560
that said director national program

2557
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,639
special management staff or

2558
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,119
you know atip or guantanamo bay or

2559
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,960
anything like that

2560
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:59,840
that's not really how the pentagon works

2561
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:00,400
you have

2562
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:03,199
numbers uh that will tell you the office

2563
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,719
and then usually you'll get some sort of

2564
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:05,760
cryptic message

2565
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:09,840
hey we've got a meeting in uh two bravo

2566
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:13,360
uh three three five alpha and

2567
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,520
if you know how the pentagon works then

2568
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:17,040
okay i've got a meeting on

2569
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,719
you know in this particular office and

2570
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,920
you go to that office and it's just

2571
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:21,600
literally a number on a door

2572
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:23,199
usually with a big heavy vault lock on

2573
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:25,280
it you knock you come in

2574
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:26,560
they check your badge make sure you have

2575
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,760
the security clearance and then you

2576
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,520
might walk into another room

2577
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:32,000
that's even a another what we call a

2578
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,080
vault a vault within a skiff

2579
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,840
uh and and that's where you do your

2580
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:37,119
business

2581
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:40,639
um were you known as uh

2582
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,600
in a joking way like the ufo guys you

2583
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,440
know what was the chatter

2584
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,679
at the pentagon you know that door

2585
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:49,840
that's the fox mulder group

2586
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,320
there there were a few people especially

2587
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,320
even within my staff that would chuckle

2588
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,880
um uh there is i'm not going to say

2589
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:58,159
which you can probably fill in the

2590
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:59,520
blanks

2591
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:02,400
but as a joke they had there's a very

2592
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:03,440
popular

2593
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:07,360
uh program about uh ufos particularly

2594
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:10,719
aliens and the history as it might uh

2595
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,440
relate

2596
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,880
to humankind you can fill in the

2597
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:14,400
delinquent show i'm talking about right

2598
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:14,719
on

2599
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:19,360
is is very well known for

2600
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,199
for um a very unique hairstyle

2601
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:25,760
and uh there's there was a picture of

2602
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:26,719
that

2603
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,360
always placed in my office as a joke by

2604
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:30,800
some of my folks

2605
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,840
um as kind of a wink-wink nudge nudge

2606
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,960
you know a little bit of ribbing

2607
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:36,880
uh healthy ribbing uh that you'd expect

2608
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:38,840
in a military environment right

2609
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,159
um i can get that signed for you

2610
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:45,280
if you would like it i can get that

2611
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:52,550
the the other part of it is

2612
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:56,080
the atip investigations and then

2613
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,760
when ttsa started of course we have you

2614
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:01,840
know the nimitz and the roosevelt

2615
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,199
and and that was that part of

2616
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,760
the atip investigations going on at the

2617
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:09,040
pentagon

2618
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:13,040
and b case two-part question

2619
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,639
why did that pentagon information stop

2620
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,360
with the nimitz and roosevelt why

2621
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,119
weren't you able to pull in

2622
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:23,840
more atip investigations that were going

2623
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:24,239
on

2624
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,360
out the media did

2625
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:32,239
so kudos to the media you know and i

2626
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:33,520
suspect that the media is going to be

2627
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:34,960
successful in the future pulling out

2628
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,159
more um

2629
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,920
this is an evolving story obviously we

2630
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:39,360
didn't just look at the nimitz and stop

2631
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,159
at the roosevelt

2632
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,320
this was an evolving effort there were

2633
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:44,159
many many instances that were

2634
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,080
recorded and reported about um

2635
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,639
okay so my question is uh just for

2636
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,080
clarification

2637
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,119
uh the nimitz and roosevelt were part of

2638
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,600
the atip investigations correct

2639
01:41:02,550 --> 01:40:59,440
absolutely unequivocally yes

2640
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,560
and then the the other investigations

2641
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:04,000
that atip was working

2642
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:07,679
on that we haven't seen was there a

2643
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,360
conscious decision not to pull that

2644
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:11,840
stuff forward or did you not have that

2645
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:12,320
data

2646
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:15,760
available to you well uh

2647
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,639
you know you have to be careful because

2648
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:20,639
a lot of that stuff is is extremely

2649
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,520
classified

2650
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,679
um you know some the nimitz was

2651
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:24,960
historical that the

2652
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,320
the the video had already been uh

2653
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,040
been leaked some time ago and it was

2654
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:33,119
unclassified information residing on a

2655
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,719
classified system so

2656
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:37,040
that's fairly easy to dislodge and get

2657
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,239
the approvals

2658
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:40,800
for for for unlimited distribution

2659
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:41,280
through

2660
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,199
dobson process but

2661
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,280
there's other stuff that has where the

2662
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:48,480
metadata uh

2663
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,280
on the video or the photographs is uh

2664
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:52,800
far more sensitive

2665
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:55,119
certainly very classified you classify

2666
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,000
something to do

2667
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:58,159
for two reasons to protect sources and

2668
01:42:02,550 --> 01:41:59,040
methods

2669
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,560
and uh the nature of those videos

2670
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,199
uh were very very sensitive and by the

2671
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,800
way it's not just what you're seeing

2672
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,880
on the video it's where the video was

2673
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:10,960
taken under what circumstances was taken

2674
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,040
the audio that's on the video right so

2675
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,760
there's a lot of stuff there um that's

2676
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:16,639
in videos

2677
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:19,360
that is really hard to clean up if you

2678
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:19,840
wanted

2679
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,920
to get that released from you know let's

2680
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:23,440
say a top secret level

2681
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,840
all the way down to an unlimited release

2682
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,239
at the unclassified level that's

2683
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:30,719
that's a you know that's a pretty

2684
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,360
difficult

2685
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:32,719
effort to do because you have to go

2686
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:33,600
through and i'm not going to waste your

2687
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:34,639
time with details but

2688
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,760
you got to go through the original

2689
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:37,280
classification authority for approval

2690
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,800
for example the oca and then you have to

2691
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:40,239
get forward disclosure approval and

2692
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,520
you've got to go to

2693
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:43,040
dobson you've got there's all these

2694
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:44,560
little hoops you have to do the higher

2695
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:45,600
classification

2696
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:48,080
information is and data the more hoops

2697
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,280
you have to jump through

2698
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,600
to try to get that information released

2699
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,199
did you see

2700
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:56,400
um video evidence

2701
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:00,000
uh while at atip that

2702
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,040
freaked you out and what i mean by that

2703
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:06,000
uh not not the nimitz videos that's that

2704
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:07,840
stuff's not freak out material

2705
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,960
it's it's not did you see

2706
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,040
a black triangle did you see something

2707
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,960
close up did you see something that you

2708
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:16,639
could classify as a

2709
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:19,920
classic flying saucer things that

2710
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,440
the the public has never seen

2711
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,119
absolutely and i'm not going to go

2712
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,199
further than that absolutely that is the

2713
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,040
reason why i am so compelled

2714
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:31,760
to do what i'm doing i know what i've

2715
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:32,239
seen

2716
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:36,239
that's why when the when the congress

2717
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,840
people go into these briefings and

2718
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,719
they're kind of like yeah i'm going to

2719
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,840
go take a briefing

2720
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,440
and they come out they say holy cow we

2721
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:43,199
got to take this seriously they're not

2722
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,159
looking at

2723
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,360
at a grain grainy video taken

2724
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:50,000
during the nimitz cruise they're looking

2725
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:51,600
at

2726
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,000
they've all come out saying

2727
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:04,159
holy smokes we need to look at this and

2728
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,159
some of you have come out and said

2729
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,400
this ain't ours you know that these are

2730
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:10,080
pretty bold statements coming from your

2731
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,280
elected officials

2732
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:13,119
whereas two years ago they would have

2733
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:14,080
laughed you wouldn't even take an

2734
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:15,199
audience with you they'd have laughed

2735
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,320
you right out of the room

2736
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:18,320
and now they're having a very sober

2737
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,760
conversation about this you

2738
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,360
you have a task force that has been

2739
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:23,040
established under

2740
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:24,960
no other person than the deputy

2741
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,280
secretary of defense himself

2742
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:29,679
the deceptive and by the way now there's

2743
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,480
a report due to congress and i think 144

2744
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:34,320
143 days

2745
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,320
from none other than the dni the

2746
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,400
director of national intelligence

2747
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:40,560
basically all 17 intelligence well now

2748
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,199
18

2749
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:43,520
intelligence organizations fall under

2750
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,440
that one person the dni

2751
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:47,119
and that is the person responsible for

2752
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:48,320
putting this report together for

2753
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:49,360
congress so

2754
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,480
so you tell me do you think that

2755
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,920
three fuzzy videos uh can get congress

2756
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,440
to do what it did

2757
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,760
probably not probably not are you

2758
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:01,360
suggesting

2759
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:11,679
has seen a black triangle crystal clear

2760
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:14,800
high def video i am absolutely not going

2761
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:15,520
to speak for

2762
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:18,400
for senator marco rubio um i respect him

2763
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,679
tremendously

2764
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,520
for coming out and having this

2765
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,000
conversation and proving this is truly

2766
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:26,800
a a a bipartisan issue because you had

2767
01:45:30,070 --> 01:45:28,239
senator harry reid

2768
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:30,080
but most people forget that you also had

2769
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,920
senator stevens and inua

2770
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:34,080
and john glenn behind this effort right

2771
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,360
uh you have

2772
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,440
other senators and congressmen who've

2773
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:38,639
come out and said hey

2774
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,480
we need this briefing too and now you

2775
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:42,719
have senator marco rubio from from my

2776
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,600
home state

2777
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,360
coming out and saying yeah this is

2778
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:47,040
important we need to figure this out i

2779
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:48,560
mean that

2780
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,840
that is a hell of a brave position to

2781
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:52,639
take

2782
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,280
a lot of hubspot to be honest with you

2783
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:59,920
and uh i i think that should be an

2784
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:01,760
indicator of the level of briefing that

2785
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:03,360
they're receiving in the information

2786
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,920
yeah it wouldn't be the tic tac video uh

2787
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:07,199
to get him to do this

2788
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,320
i i'm i'm i'm fairly confident

2789
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:13,440
in in saying that and then we have

2790
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:16,560
uh the very curious quote

2791
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:20,159
from dr eric davis um and

2792
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:22,000
you know where i'm going with this but

2793
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:24,080
he uh in the

2794
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,239
the last new york times article by

2795
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,080
leslie kane and and ralph

2796
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:31,119
blumenthal very excellent but it at the

2797
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,840
bottom

2798
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,920
there's this little quote from dr eric

2799
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:35,280
davis saying

2800
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,880
that he briefed the senate and told them

2801
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:41,760
that we are in possession of flying

2802
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:42,880
saucers

2803
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,840
right now you can't there's no way to

2804
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,760
read between the lines on this it was a

2805
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:49,520
very clear quote

2806
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:52,800
and the new york times had to vet the

2807
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,320
quote they're not going to put that in

2808
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,400
the new york times without having

2809
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,320
something sourced there they were

2810
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:00,320
comfortable with it correct

2811
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,920
um what's eric davis talking about

2812
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:06,080
well i'd have to defer to my friend eric

2813
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:07,280
davis um

2814
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:11,040
you know uh he said what he said um

2815
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,239
you know he uh if you know eric davis

2816
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,239
you'll realize that he's got a really

2817
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:18,239
interesting personality trait

2818
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,480
he's one of the few people i often joke

2819
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:22,239
on the planet that can't lie

2820
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:24,560
um there's literally there's a quirk

2821
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,080
there in the personality that

2822
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:28,239
that the guy i think you could put like

2823
01:47:30,550 --> 01:47:29,360
i've said before you could put a knife

2824
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,560
to the guy's throat

2825
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:32,639
and he's gonna die because the guy you

2826
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:33,920
could try to force him to lie and he

2827
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:34,639
just

2828
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,080
he can't do it um so uh

2829
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,159
i've had the honor and privilege to to

2830
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:42,159
work both directly and indirectly with

2831
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:43,280
with eric

2832
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:46,960
um he is a man of uh utmost

2833
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:49,520
um credibility and he has served this

2834
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,000
nation

2835
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,159
honorably there are things that he has

2836
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,440
done for this nation

2837
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,280
that he will never take credit for but

2838
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,960
i've seen the reporting and know exactly

2839
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,239
what he's done

2840
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:00,480
uh and he's a true asset to our nation

2841
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,320
and so when he tells you

2842
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:04,400
that he has done something i would take

2843
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:05,920
that to the bank

2844
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:09,360
why why this i just want your opinion on

2845
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:10,000
this

2846
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:12,960
why hasn't a journalist out there a

2847
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,320
reporter

2848
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,360
seized on that quote it may be the most

2849
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,280
incredible quote in human history

2850
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:22,800
if we really take it at at face value

2851
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:25,920
why hasn't anybody taken this a step

2852
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:29,040
further it's extraordinary information

2853
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,960
well i mean don't look now jimmy but you

2854
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:32,400
are

2855
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,760
you're taking it forward you just you

2856
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:35,679
just asked me that question

2857
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,159
in front of who knows how many members

2858
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:39,840
in your audience are listening

2859
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:42,880
uh you just laid down the gauntlet so i

2860
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,679
don't know why

2861
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,440
why let me turn the tables and ask you

2862
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:47,600
jimmy i mean you're a guy in the media

2863
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:48,000
why

2864
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,280
before i think it's a great question

2865
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:54,239
yeah i i i have i've made statements

2866
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:55,360
over the years

2867
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:58,560
uh i i have a large audience both here

2868
01:49:02,470 --> 01:48:58,800
and

2869
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,480
some extraordinary things

2870
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,280
i didn't get anything from the media

2871
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,040
i've always found that very

2872
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:09,600
very interesting and i i don't know why

2873
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:10,239
um

2874
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,840
but to take this question one step

2875
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,639
further

2876
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:17,199
blue elizondo is our government in

2877
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:18,639
possession of

2878
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:21,760
crashed retrieved

2879
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:25,440
landed traded flying saucers and

2880
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,119
technology not of this earth

2881
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,159
i can't answer that question as stated

2882
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:34,480
um if you want to rephrase the question

2883
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,000
i will do my best

2884
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,719
to to provide you an answer but as

2885
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:40,840
stated i cannot answer that question

2886
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:44,480
the uh are we in possession of a flying

2887
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:45,599
saucer

2888
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:49,119
our government um let me let me say this

2889
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:51,119
let me put it this way

2890
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:54,239
it is my personal belief that

2891
01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:58,000
we are in possession of um

2892
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:02,080
tangible evidence

2893
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:03,679
call it material call it whatever you

2894
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:06,639
want uh and that is all i'm prepared to

2895
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,440
say

2896
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,000
uh at this time well i have to be very

2897
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,000
very careful not to cross the line i

2898
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,679
know people want to know if

2899
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:15,199
understand people say oh well you keep

2900
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,880
hiding behind your nda as

2901
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,400
an excuse no i'm not actually i don't

2902
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,920
want to go to jail frankly

2903
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:21,520
and second of all i don't want to betray

2904
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,040
the trusted american people

2905
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,639
i have a security clearance which isn't

2906
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:26,159
just given from the government

2907
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:28,400
it is it is it has been entrusted upon

2908
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:29,760
me by the american people

2909
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:32,800
and i'm not going to betray that just to

2910
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,760
go ahead

2911
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:36,159
and and get up get a few likes if you

2912
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,520
will on twitter

2913
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,159
i take that seriously and when i'm

2914
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,760
finally relieved of that or the

2915
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:43,199
information becomes officially

2916
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,800
declassified then i will talk

2917
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,440
all day about it but until that time

2918
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,440
comes i have to be very very careful

2919
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:50,719
very mindful

2920
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:53,679
of everything i say and i don't want to

2921
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,040
jeopardize

2922
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,440
the momentum we have gained over the

2923
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:58,800
last three years

2924
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:02,400
by saying something that

2925
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:06,560
has the potential to to um

2926
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:09,679
halt stop hinder the

2927
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:11,920
the progress that we're making if you

2928
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:13,440
were in possession

2929
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:16,719
of uh the video

2930
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:20,719
documents the smoking gun and files

2931
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:23,599
would you uh take the path of edward

2932
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:25,599
snowden would you be a martyr

2933
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:28,480
would you present the information wasn't

2934
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,040
a martyr

2935
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:32,159
but yeah but you understand the the

2936
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:34,480
the way that i'm from the traitor what i

2937
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:35,760
i do i just said what you're saying but

2938
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:36,080
but

2939
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:40,000
and he was he was a traitor he wasn't a

2940
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,639
martyr

2941
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,719
um even though he he he provided

2942
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,480
information that provided us insight on

2943
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:45,840
things that were happening to include

2944
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,000
fisa that's not the right way to go

2945
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:50,000
about making an issue

2946
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,360
you don't you don't reveal your

2947
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:53,199
information all you have in your dirty

2948
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,119
laundry to your enemy that's that's

2949
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:58,080
the wrong approach to take if i had was

2950
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,760
in possession of those videos i would do

2951
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,520
exactly what i'm doing right now

2952
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:04,400
continue to push the system to do what

2953
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:05,840
is intended to do

2954
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:08,400
it is not up to me luis alizando to tell

2955
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:09,199
the world

2956
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,040
everything you know about ufos it's up

2957
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:13,199
to the world to then pressure congress

2958
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,960
to enable congress to then pressure the

2959
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:16,239
executive department

2960
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:18,159
to do what to to provide what they know

2961
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:19,440
about ufos

2962
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:22,400
that's what needs to happen otherwise

2963
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:23,440
you know i become this

2964
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,440
this this demigod of a personality and

2965
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,040
that's not what this is about this

2966
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,960
this journey cannot be about any one

2967
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:32,639
single person it definitely cannot be

2968
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,599
just about me

2969
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:35,440
it has to be about the collective will

2970
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:37,040
of the people and this is what i keep

2971
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:38,480
trying to drive home

2972
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:41,360
it is up to the government to work the

2973
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:41,679
way

2974
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:44,639
it was intended to do and then provide

2975
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,840
us the information

2976
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,239
that we are seeking it is not up to luis

2977
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,560
elizondo or chris mellon or tom delong

2978
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,560
or anybody else or jimmy church

2979
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,719
to do that it is up to our government

2980
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,800
and so we have to do our best to enable

2981
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:58,719
our government to

2982
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:01,040
to function the way we expect it to

2983
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,960
function look in 144 days

2984
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:05,360
a report is due to congress whether we

2985
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,800
like it or not now maybe it will ask for

2986
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,320
an extension who knows

2987
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:10,080
but the last thing you want to do is

2988
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:12,000
provide congress some half-baked report

2989
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,440
that doesn't have all the information in

2990
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:15,119
there that by the way frankly they

2991
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,159
deserve to have

2992
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:18,000
right that's how you make the system

2993
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:19,199
work by

2994
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,920
by by getting the information to the

2995
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,440
right people at the right time so they

2996
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,199
can make the right decisions

2997
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:27,119
so that's that's what i would do no i

2998
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,480
would not repeat

2999
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,880
anything that edward snowden or manning

3000
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:31,920
did uh

3001
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:34,159
i i find it absolutely reprehensible and

3002
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:35,360
despicable

3003
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,719
uh i know there's a lot of people out

3004
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,480
there that may chew on me for that

3005
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:41,119
but um you know i i don't ever ever

3006
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:42,560
think there's a time to betray your

3007
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,199
country

3008
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:45,440
ever what do you expect to be in that

3009
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,320
report

3010
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,199
and and before you answer it it's very

3011
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:50,880
interesting in the wording

3012
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:53,760
uh there that there is the public

3013
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:54,320
section

3014
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:57,440
and then they are reserving a classified

3015
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,639
section in the report is that an out

3016
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:03,360
not to reveal anything or you know the

3017
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,480
juicy stuff

3018
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:06,800
what do you expect in the public side of

3019
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,080
that report

3020
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:10,239
well look there's been reports before

3021
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:12,000
national intelligence estimates where we

3022
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:12,800
talk about

3023
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,960
north korean nuclear capability and

3024
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,480
there's a lot of information that gets

3025
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,239
out into the public sector that's

3026
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:19,760
unclassified that's still very

3027
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:20,639
meaningful that's

3028
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:23,119
quote-unquote juicy you know i i think

3029
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:25,040
we sometimes confuse classified

3030
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:26,560
information with being juicy

3031
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:28,159
that's not always the case a lot of

3032
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:29,599
classified information is actually very

3033
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:30,480
dull and boring

3034
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:33,040
it's just extremely technical and so i

3035
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:34,560
think what you might see

3036
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:37,119
in the classified portion is that part

3037
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:38,159
of the data that

3038
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,280
involves specific sensor units specific

3039
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:43,599
locations specific times specific call

3040
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:44,400
signs

3041
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:48,159
specific capabilities that is all very

3042
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,440
sensitive information that you don't

3043
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:50,800
necessarily want to getting out to the

3044
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,360
public

3045
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,800
not because we don't trust the american

3046
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:54,800
people but there's no way to tell the

3047
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,599
american people

3048
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:58,080
and not have our foreign adversaries

3049
01:55:03,270 --> 01:54:59,280
also informed

3050
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,280
so there is a there is a deliberate

3051
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:06,239
effort by the government to safeguard

3052
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:07,679
this information which i think they

3053
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,239
should

3054
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:10,560
and then that information which does not

3055
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:12,239
need to be classified which by the way

3056
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:13,679
people don't realize there's actually

3057
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,480
rules

3058
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,960
and regulations that prohibit the the

3059
01:55:19,589 --> 01:55:18,080
the

3060
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,599
indiscriminate classification of

3061
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:21,119
information you can't do it you have to

3062
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:22,320
you have to follow very specific

3063
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:23,040
guidelines

3064
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:25,119
for that to be classified i don't

3065
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:27,360
anticipate you're going to have in one

3066
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:30,080
one report a a response to the american

3067
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:31,520
people saying nothing to see here folks

3068
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:33,280
and then in a classified annex

3069
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,520
saying oh my god here it is and you know

3070
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:36,560
here's the mothership

3071
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,760
i i don't expect that i think

3072
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,840
um well you know what i'm not going to

3073
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,119
go any further than that i'm not going

3074
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:44,960
to pine on what what i think might be in

3075
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:46,639
that report um

3076
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:49,679
but i think it will be consistent i i i

3077
01:55:53,350 --> 01:55:52,480
will tell you i don't think 144 days is

3078
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,360
long enough

3079
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,599
to provide a a comprehensive report it

3080
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:57,280
takes longer to build a house

3081
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:59,679
in some cases i'm not sure how you're

3082
01:56:02,070 --> 01:56:00,560
going to go to all

3083
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:02,080
18 intelligence members of the

3084
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,599
intelligence community

3085
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:05,520
and get all the information that they

3086
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:07,040
have which they themselves don't always

3087
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:08,560
know where that information is or even

3088
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:09,920
if they have it right

3089
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,840
their little enclave little pockets that

3090
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,520
takes time that takes coordination and

3091
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:14,719
you got to make sure everybody who's

3092
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:16,080
getting this information

3093
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,599
has the appropriate appropriate security

3094
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:19,440
clearance it's not just top secret sti

3095
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:20,800
maybe it's sap maybe it's cap

3096
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:22,960
maybe it's who knows there's all sorts

3097
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:25,440
of of compensatory markings

3098
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,719
and and levels of read on that not any

3099
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,960
one individual necessarily has or knows

3100
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:32,480
chris mellon said himself you know you

3101
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,520
would have think being the

3102
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,199
the guy running all the sap special

3103
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:36,480
access program for the department of

3104
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:37,040
defense

3105
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:38,400
he would have known about our type of

3106
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:40,560
effort but he did it right so

3107
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,239
this kind of stuff flies under the radar

3108
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:44,400
all the time and i'm not justifying that

3109
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,840
i know people are going to say what that

3110
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:47,040
shouldn't be you're right it shouldn't

3111
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:47,760
be

3112
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:49,840
but but it is and that's that's one of

3113
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,360
the things we're trying to fix now

3114
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:53,119
by putting some sort of mechanism in

3115
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,800
place that put some sort of

3116
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:56,400
administrative oversight

3117
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:58,000
and and someone in a position of

3118
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:59,760
authority to say you know be the daddy

3119
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,719
bear say hey

3120
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,400
you know that that information belongs

3121
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,800
to me ultimately that comes to me

3122
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,159
and that's that's what we're trying to

3123
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,239
achieve i i've got about uh two minutes

3124
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:09,440
before the break

3125
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:12,800
has the uap task force uh

3126
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:16,239
reached out to you and chris mellon

3127
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:19,119
for information or consulting for this

3128
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:20,400
report

3129
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:23,199
i i can't answer that that would be up

3130
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,000
for the u.s government

3131
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:26,800
to answer that question um uh i'm not

3132
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:28,880
saying yes or no it's just uh

3133
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,480
uh that's um that's is it as a question

3134
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:33,920
you would have to bring up

3135
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:37,040
to to uh to the u.s government

3136
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:39,679
great answer so the answer is yes okay

3137
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:40,960
well

3138
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,760
i didn't say that let's take our break

3139
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,440
right here our guest tonight

3140
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:48,239
lou elizondo i am your host jimmy church

3141
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3149
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short break

3150
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3151
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3201
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3211
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3215
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3219
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:08,149
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3223
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:18,800
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3224
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:26,229
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3225
02:01:35,910 --> 02:01:28,639
on the game changer radio network

3226
02:01:45,189 --> 02:01:35,920
and kgra the global radio alliance

3227
02:01:48,149 --> 02:01:46,709
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3228
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:48,159
jimmy church our guest tonight lou

3229
02:01:54,390 --> 02:01:51,040
elizondo what a great conversation

3230
02:01:56,950 --> 02:01:54,400
i expected this and so did you

3231
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:56,960
and i want to take the opportunity uh

3232
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:57,440
lou

3233
02:02:03,990 --> 02:02:00,800
in this next segment uh to discuss

3234
02:02:07,030 --> 02:02:04,000
disclosure and uh if you would i

3235
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:07,040
asked this of every guest on the show uh

3236
02:02:13,750 --> 02:02:10,320
everyone um what is your definition

3237
02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:16,950
wow uh you know i've been asked that a

3238
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,280
few times and and i hate to say this but

3239
02:02:22,709 --> 02:02:21,040
but i think my my definition keeps

3240
02:02:25,910 --> 02:02:22,719
changing um

3241
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,920
you know disclosure for me is

3242
02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:27,760
i've always said it's a process it's not

3243
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:30,159
an event and i think in five years from

3244
02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:31,360
now we're going to look back

3245
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:33,040
and we are we're going to realize we are

3246
02:02:37,109 --> 02:02:35,040
actually living through disclosure right

3247
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:37,119
now

3248
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:40,880
disclosure for me is is

3249
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:43,920
basically an acknowledgement by

3250
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:46,800
by the cognizant authority to say that

3251
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:48,239
these things are real

3252
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:50,159
without ascribing a narrative without

3253
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:52,719
ascribing an origin without ascribing

3254
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:56,000
anything else um just

3255
02:03:01,510 --> 02:02:59,119
recognizing the reality that

3256
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:01,520
uaps are real and they have been real

3257
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:02,719
for a very long time

3258
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:05,840
and that it's something that we we need

3259
02:03:10,870 --> 02:03:07,040
to pay attention to

3260
02:03:14,149 --> 02:03:10,880
i think for me um that is

3261
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:14,159
that is that's the goal post and i think

3262
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:15,760
i think to some degree we've achieved it

3263
02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:17,520
already you already have

3264
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:18,800
key people in our government

3265
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:21,040
acknowledging it so so i think you're

3266
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:22,480
you're living through disclosure right

3267
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:22,880
now

3268
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:23,840
people say well i can't wait for

3269
02:03:27,109 --> 02:03:26,080
disclosure well you may be waiting a

3270
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,119
long time because

3271
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:29,440
if your definition of disclosure is a

3272
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:32,159
ufo landing on the white house lawn

3273
02:03:37,669 --> 02:03:35,280
that may never happen i think i think

3274
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:37,679
disclosure is the reason why it's so

3275
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:38,639
hard to

3276
02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:40,080
to describe is because it means

3277
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:41,760
something different to every everybody

3278
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:42,239
out there

3279
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:43,840
you can ask anybody anybody on the

3280
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:45,440
street they'll probably give you a

3281
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:47,599
a a different goal post for what

3282
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:48,639
disclosure is

3283
02:03:53,030 --> 02:03:50,000
i also think we have to be careful

3284
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:53,040
because confirmation is not necessarily

3285
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:54,880
disclosure i hear the terms utilized

3286
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:55,679
quite a bit no

3287
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:58,560
confirmation and disclosure but to me

3288
02:04:03,430 --> 02:03:59,599
confirmation

3289
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:03,440
is the confirming of a pre-existing

3290
02:04:09,910 --> 02:04:07,520
narrative that it is this way

3291
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:09,920
and i am not sure we have enough

3292
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:11,760
information or data yet

3293
02:04:15,270 --> 02:04:13,679
to have a narrative i know there's a lot

3294
02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:15,280
of people out there that think they have

3295
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:16,400
a narrative

3296
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:19,920
and they have the answers um i don't

3297
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:22,000
i i think you know when people ask me

3298
02:04:25,430 --> 02:04:23,360
you know where are we on the journey are

3299
02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:25,440
we at the beginning of the end

3300
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:27,520
and i say no let's say well are we at

3301
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:29,119
the end of the beginning and

3302
02:04:33,270 --> 02:04:31,840
say no i i i don't mean to be

3303
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:33,280
discouraging but i think we're at the

3304
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:35,119
beginning of the beginning

3305
02:04:38,550 --> 02:04:36,960
but that's a good thing because that

3306
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:38,560
means there's a whole lot more to come

3307
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:39,760
that means there's a whole lot more

3308
02:04:42,790 --> 02:04:40,880
understanding and with with

3309
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:42,800
understanding comes opportunity

3310
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:44,960
so uh you know i'm not an all doom and

3311
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:47,040
gloom kind of guy i try to be pragmatic

3312
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:48,880
and practical as much as possible

3313
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:51,280
and not allow my emotions to lead you

3314
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,520
know my my decision making process

3315
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:55,360
um unless it comes to my daughters of

3316
02:04:59,669 --> 02:04:56,719
course then that's a different

3317
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:59,679
story but um you know then i'm

3318
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:00,239
definitely

3319
02:05:03,990 --> 02:05:03,280
an emotional guy but in this particular

3320
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:04,000
topic i

3321
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:05,599
i think it's important that we let the

3322
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:07,520
data speak for itself and there's still

3323
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:08,639
a lot of data that

3324
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:11,920
that hasn't been presented yet so uh my

3325
02:05:17,109 --> 02:05:14,960
word of advice would be try to resist

3326
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:17,119
the urge as much as possible

3327
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:19,520
of of having some sort of preconceived

3328
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:21,040
notion or narrative

3329
02:05:24,069 --> 02:05:23,199
and you know take a breath for a moment

3330
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:24,079
step back

3331
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:26,480
and and and look at the new data that's

3332
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:27,440
coming forward

3333
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:29,599
now maybe it'll reconfirm the existing

3334
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:31,040
narrative you already have

3335
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,840
that's possible maybe it doesn't maybe

3336
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:35,520
it helps inform something else and you

3337
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:37,440
begin to evolve your position

3338
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:40,320
which is also you know a good thing um

3339
02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:40,960
we're

3340
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:44,800
learning and that's something that we

3341
02:05:48,550 --> 02:05:46,960
we should always encourage our fellow

3342
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:48,560
brothers and sisters on this planet to

3343
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:49,280
always do

3344
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:51,360
learning is is an innate part of being a

3345
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,960
human being just like breathing and just

3346
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:54,480
like eating

3347
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:57,440
it it's who we are it's in our dna

3348
02:06:03,910 --> 02:05:58,320
before

3349
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:03,920
uh ttsa uh prior to 2017

3350
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:07,199
um did atip have an interest in chris

3351
02:06:10,069 --> 02:06:07,920
bledsoe

3352
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:10,079
and did you meet with him before the

3353
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:13,360
forming of ttsa

3354
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:16,880
uh i did not um i i did not that's not

3355
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:18,239
to say that other elements

3356
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:22,800
within uh the asap portfolio did

3357
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:25,840
prior to me but i wasn't really

3358
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:28,000
part of awesome i was tangentially

3359
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:29,280
attached to it

3360
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:31,280
but really my focus has always primarily

3361
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:32,320
been on atip

3362
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:35,840
and the bloodsow uh was not

3363
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:38,960
uh the bloodsouls family were not

3364
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,880
uh part of that the reason why look it's

3365
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:42,239
very practical it's not that

3366
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,560
we didn't or did believe them we're a

3367
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,760
dod organization

3368
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,440
operating under title 10 authorities

3369
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:49,199
meaning title 10 meaning we can only

3370
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:50,560
talk to

3371
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:53,440
military or military related people and

3372
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:55,199
have access to that information and the

3373
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,639
data collection platforms

3374
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,079
we couldn't just go out to private

3375
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,480
citizens to to joe schmoe or

3376
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:02,400
jane smith and say hey tell me what you

3377
02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:03,920
know about ufos or what have you seen or

3378
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:06,000
anything paranormal

3379
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,760
we weren't allowed to do that we had to

3380
02:07:12,149 --> 02:07:09,520
keep very narrowly focused because when

3381
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:12,159
you present that data to dod leadership

3382
02:07:15,189 --> 02:07:13,679
there's all sorts of considerations

3383
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:15,199
there not just the validity and the

3384
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:16,480
veracity information that you're

3385
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:17,119
collecting

3386
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:18,960
but there's rules and laws i can't just

3387
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,560
go out and collect

3388
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:22,560
u.s persons information i said at the

3389
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:24,079
beginning of this broadcast

3390
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:25,599
there's collection retention and

3391
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:28,079
dissemination of u.s persons information

3392
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:31,920
that is very very res restrictive

3393
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,000
any intelligence organization collecting

3394
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:36,159
that can it's a big no-no

3395
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:38,079
unless you have very specific approvals

3396
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:40,239
to do that and then then there's even a

3397
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:41,360
time limit so

3398
02:07:45,350 --> 02:07:43,199
so we couldn't go out just willy-nilly

3399
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:45,360
and talk to anybody uh that that

3400
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:47,280
that wasn't possible we'd get slapped

3401
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:48,800
with the procedure 15 violation

3402
02:07:55,430 --> 02:07:52,159
very very quickly so um

3403
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,440
to put it bluntly the answer is no um

3404
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:57,360
have you but let me caveat that doesn't

3405
02:08:01,589 --> 02:07:59,199
that i want to make this very important

3406
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:01,599
this important statement please um just

3407
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:03,760
for a moment

3408
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:06,719
that doesn't necessarily mean that what

3409
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:08,000
is occurring at the blood

3410
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,239
cells is or is not real it's just simply

3411
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:14,560
we didn't look at it because the data

3412
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:15,360
wasn't

3413
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:17,679
uh within the subset that we were

3414
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:19,440
allowed to look at if that makes sense

3415
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:22,320
understood understood um have you ever

3416
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,870
i mean jimmy that was that was kind of

3417
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:33,280
my job for almost 10 years yeah i

3418
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:36,400
saw a lot of them um out uh uh

3419
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:39,520
at night during the day accidents oh so

3420
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:42,159
you're talking aside from my job i mean

3421
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:48,870
uh well i just want to be specific right

3422
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:50,320
i don't want anybody to

3423
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:54,079
read between the lines here um

3424
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,159
i i would prefer to buy a vowel and

3425
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:57,920
maybe the next time we have a chat

3426
02:09:02,790 --> 02:08:59,040
answer that question

3427
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:02,800
um i i'm very careful not to superimpose

3428
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,520
my own

3429
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:05,760
personal experiences on the data

3430
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:06,719
collection

3431
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:10,719
i don't ever want to prejudice the jury

3432
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:11,840
so to speak

3433
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:13,679
in the collection of information it's

3434
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,880
important that my own personal opinions

3435
02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:19,040
and positions are not factored into it

3436
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:21,280
look at it like any court of law

3437
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:24,000
as as an investigator your job is to to

3438
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,599
collect the facts and preserve the facts

3439
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:27,280
and then present those facts to to a

3440
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:28,719
jury

3441
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:30,239
in this case the american people are the

3442
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,400
jury okay my job is simple collect the

3443
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,079
truth speak the truth that's it

3444
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:36,079
and then i take that information and i

3445
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:38,079
provide it in a consumable manner

3446
02:09:41,430 --> 02:09:39,760
for for the jury in this case the

3447
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:41,440
american people to have a conversation

3448
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:42,079
about

3449
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,119
as an employee

3450
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:46,719
of our government in the department of

3451
02:09:52,069 --> 02:09:48,800
defense that was your career

3452
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:52,079
one of the things if all all young men

3453
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:55,280
do this myself included we take great

3454
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:56,400
pride in

3455
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:59,440
in in knowing aircraft and helicopters

3456
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:00,800
and rockets and

3457
02:10:04,229 --> 02:10:03,280
the names of astronauts it's what we do

3458
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:04,239
right it is

3459
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,400
so you're you're out there and you see

3460
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:08,159
something in the sky

3461
02:10:12,310 --> 02:10:11,280
when as a professional you can identify

3462
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:12,320
anything

3463
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:16,159
right soviet helicopter brazilian

3464
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,079
training jet aircraft

3465
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,639
you know what you're looking at when you

3466
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:22,480
see something in the sky that you can't

3467
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:25,119
explain what goes through your mind

3468
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:27,199
so jimmy i'm gonna your your audience

3469
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:28,400
can't see this but i'm going to show you

3470
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,360
real quick these are

3471
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:31,679
official department of defense

3472
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,119
identification cards and

3473
02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:35,520
what you can see here are the profiles

3474
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:37,520
of aircraft right this is a russian

3475
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:39,360
helicopter absolutely you can see the

3476
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:40,880
stack of this right this is

3477
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:43,199
this is the training age that this that

3478
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,679
that our military servicemen and women

3479
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:47,920
in uniform are trained to identify the

3480
02:10:53,350 --> 02:10:50,079
difference between a european tornado

3481
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:53,360
an f-16 an su-22 and a mig-25

3482
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:54,960
from 20 miles away and by the way from

3483
02:10:57,350 --> 02:10:56,079
multiple different angles from the

3484
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:57,360
bottom from the side from the top from

3485
02:11:01,830 --> 02:10:58,639
the front

3486
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,840
that is is very much what our trained

3487
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:03,760
observers are trained to do

3488
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:06,800
and uh you're right when you see

3489
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:09,440
something that doesn't look like

3490
02:11:11,750 --> 02:11:10,800
anything we have it doesn't even have

3491
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:11,760
wings cockpit

3492
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:14,239
engine control surfaces and yet somehow

3493
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:16,320
is able to defy the natural effects of

3494
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:17,360
earth's gravity

3495
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:20,480
and pull g-forces nexus of 5 6 700 g's

3496
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:21,920
and perform at speeds of

3497
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:24,320
up to 13 000 miles an hour in our

3498
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:25,520
atmosphere

3499
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:28,480
um yeah that's that's that's a great

3500
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:29,199
question isn't it

3501
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:30,800
uh you know that makes you scratch your

3502
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:32,480
head to say okay what are we dealing

3503
02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:33,119
with

3504
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:36,719
is there a lazar sport model uh

3505
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,520
flying saucer in in that deck of cards

3506
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:40,719
i'm just asking

3507
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:43,840
for a friend there is not

3508
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:47,280
uh but uh also let me let me caveat that

3509
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:49,520
i've never had uh the opportunity to

3510
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:52,320
meet mr lazar so i i don't know

3511
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:54,560
uh much about him i suspect your next

3512
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:55,760
question is going to be what do i think

3513
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:56,480
about him

3514
02:12:02,310 --> 02:12:00,560
no no no no no no no that's that's drama

3515
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,320
uh we don't need we don't need to go

3516
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:04,639
there but um

3517
02:12:10,390 --> 02:12:07,760
the other part of this though is

3518
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:10,400
when you what we're talking about

3519
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:12,719
disclosure here and when you see

3520
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:15,440
for yourself something you don't

3521
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:16,480
necessarily

3522
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:18,400
need the president of the united states

3523
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,320
to step up to a podium on live

3524
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:22,239
television and say we not we are not

3525
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:23,199
alone

3526
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:25,440
because as a civilian you've seen what

3527
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:26,960
you have seen

3528
02:12:33,109 --> 02:12:30,159
is that pushing part of your effort

3529
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:33,119
here knowing privately what you have

3530
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:33,520
seen

3531
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:35,520
and then the other side of it where

3532
02:12:40,950 --> 02:12:37,840
you're trying to get those answers

3533
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,960
yeah absolutely i mean it's

3534
02:12:45,910 --> 02:12:43,520
this is a global phenomenon jimmy this

3535
02:12:47,910 --> 02:12:45,920
isn't this isn't something new

3536
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:47,920
this isn't something that was just

3537
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:49,040
recognized when

3538
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:51,119
when a tip came about or the program

3539
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:52,960
before that or blue but before that or

3540
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:53,599
the pro

3541
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:56,320
you know when i was over in in italy i

3542
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:56,639
had

3543
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:59,040
uh someone show me an old scroll and it

3544
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:00,560
was a discussion between

3545
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:03,280
a a roman soldier and a roman general

3546
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:05,119
this is a 2 000 year old document in

3547
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:05,920
latin

3548
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,760
and and it's a conversation where they

3549
02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:09,679
describe these things called the eclipse

3550
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:12,719
eclipses the roman shield and they

3551
02:13:16,310 --> 02:13:14,880
describe these flaming roman shields in

3552
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:16,320
the sky that would follow them from

3553
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:18,320
battle space to battle space

3554
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:21,760
um you know this is important this is

3555
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:22,159
why

3556
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:23,840
we are engaging in the what payton

3557
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:25,599
project with with the indigenous people

3558
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:26,800
because they have

3559
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:29,440
thousands of years of oral tradition

3560
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:31,119
going back

3561
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:34,079
much longer than pre-recorded history um

3562
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:34,719
and

3563
02:13:39,189 --> 02:13:37,840
i think it's it's important because some

3564
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:39,199
of their observations you know they're

3565
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:40,639
trained observers too they're just

3566
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,760
trained observers from their own

3567
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,679
perspective they they know the land and

3568
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:45,599
their area like nobody else right just

3569
02:13:48,709 --> 02:13:47,280
like a pilot may know the airspace

3570
02:13:51,830 --> 02:13:48,719
better than anybody else

3571
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:51,840
so it's important for us to to to try to

3572
02:13:55,750 --> 02:13:53,199
look at this information from a

3573
02:13:57,750 --> 02:13:55,760
comprehensive a holistic perspective

3574
02:13:59,189 --> 02:13:57,760
and see if we can see and by the way it

3575
02:14:02,069 --> 02:13:59,199
turns out we can the same

3576
02:14:02,550 --> 02:14:02,079
observables that we identified in atip

3577
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:02,560
are

3578
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:06,480
ages and they go back to the roman times

3579
02:14:09,990 --> 02:14:08,079
even go back to some of the

3580
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:10,000
the pre-recorded history that's that's

3581
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:11,920
now part of the oral traditions of our

3582
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:13,520
indigenous people

3583
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:15,920
it's it's all there and so it's it's for

3584
02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:18,000
me it's it's fascinating and it is

3585
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:20,719
something that compels me to continue to

3586
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:21,360
to

3587
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:26,639
and by the way you know you're part of

3588
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:27,840
that equation too

3589
02:14:31,589 --> 02:14:30,159
your audience is part of that equation

3590
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:31,599
we're all part of that equation

3591
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:33,440
and this this is a topic that belongs to

3592
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:36,000
all of us not one organization as i said

3593
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:37,679
or government or institution or person

3594
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:38,320
this is

3595
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:41,440
we we all we all own this together

3596
02:14:47,990 --> 02:14:44,880
now uh uh i can't

3597
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:48,000
uh let you get away with

3598
02:14:51,189 --> 02:14:50,719
without talking about the tic tac so in

3599
02:14:54,229 --> 02:14:51,199
the

3600
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,239
limited time that we have left um i'm

3601
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:55,920
going to start with this

3602
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:58,159
are you kicking me off jimmy no hey you

3603
02:15:02,950 --> 02:14:59,840
want to go into overtime

3604
02:15:05,589 --> 02:15:02,960
i've got you you could tell your wife

3605
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:05,599
uh you can blame me you can blame me we

3606
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:06,880
can certainly do that

3607
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:10,079
um but uh the

3608
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:14,880
the tic tac is the tic tac

3609
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:18,159
not of this earth the nimitz

3610
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,360
encounter that the tic tac

3611
02:15:26,470 --> 02:15:24,400
is that not of this earth

3612
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:26,480
jimmy forgive me for saying this i i

3613
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:27,840
don't want to correct you publicly but

3614
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:30,400
you're asking the wrong question

3615
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,679
the question should be is the tic tac

3616
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:36,719
man made or is the tic tac us

3617
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:40,560
or is it tic tac us or foreign adversary

3618
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:41,599
technology

3619
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:44,079
the answer is no but when you say is it

3620
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:45,599
from this earth

3621
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:48,000
we don't know that's that's you know

3622
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:48,800
this is why

3623
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:51,920
we always stated before from our

3624
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:52,960
position

3625
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,239
we don't know if these things are from

3626
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:56,320
outer space inner space or frankly the

3627
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:58,159
space in between as you you begin to

3628
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,239
understand the world of quantum physics

3629
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:02,400
there's a whole lot of reality around us

3630
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,480
and we don't interact with it um

3631
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,480
you know we're used to the newtonian

3632
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:07,760
understanding of the world

3633
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:09,440
physics where you know gravity apple

3634
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:11,360
falls from a tree and then along comes

3635
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:13,280
einstein several hundred years later and

3636
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:14,880
talks about this thing called relativity

3637
02:16:19,030 --> 02:16:17,199
where space time is actually flexible

3638
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:19,040
and only in the last 20 30 years have we

3639
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:20,719
really begin to explore the world of

3640
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:21,440
quantum

3641
02:16:27,589 --> 02:16:27,199
and we're realizing all these realities

3642
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:27,599
as

3643
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:32,080
are actually very much part of the

3644
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,240
natural environment and so my point

3645
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:36,479
being there may be realities all around

3646
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:36,960
us

3647
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,439
that we simply don't perceive you know

3648
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:41,519
we're very limited as a species we

3649
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,599
we live in a three-dimensional space x y

3650
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:45,200
z axis and time

3651
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,559
which is a function of i guess of the

3652
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:48,399
fourth dimension and and that's

3653
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:49,280
expressed in

3654
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:52,399
a linear linear if you will linear

3655
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:53,679
motion for us

3656
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:56,160
um but that's not to say that there

3657
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:57,679
aren't other things all around us we

3658
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:59,120
sense the universe

3659
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:01,280
through the five primary senses of sight

3660
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:02,160
smell touch

3661
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:05,439
taste and hearing and yet we know that

3662
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:06,960
we only perceive

3663
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:08,880
one percent of one percent of the

3664
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:10,479
universe that's around us

3665
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:12,479
most of the universe remains completely

3666
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:14,160
invisible to us and i don't mean

3667
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:16,000
the universe out there i mean the

3668
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:17,599
universe right here

3669
02:17:20,950 --> 02:17:19,599
let me put that into context we know

3670
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:20,960
less than five percent

3671
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:23,599
about our deepest oceans right we we've

3672
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:25,040
mapped but we really don't even have a

3673
02:17:29,429 --> 02:17:26,399
good understanding of what lives in our

3674
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,439
own planet let alone anywhere else

3675
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:31,439
we when you look at the human being we

3676
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:33,439
are exactly in the middle

3677
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:36,719
of the scale of the universe if you were

3678
02:17:39,549 --> 02:17:37,439
to take us

3679
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:39,559
being the smallest thing and look at the

3680
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:42,000
grandiosity of the universe which is

3681
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:44,080
13.5 billion light years in this

3682
02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:46,479
direction and 13.5 billion light years

3683
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:47,679
in that direction right

3684
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:50,000
27 billion light years in distance which

3685
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:50,719
is a lot

3686
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:53,920
we seem pretty small by that scale there

3687
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,240
is

3688
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:57,679
equally the same amount of space inside

3689
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,120
of the human body

3690
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:02,240
there is this entire universe inside of

3691
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:02,800
us

3692
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:06,240
of the body or even the atoms if you

3693
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,760
start talking about subatomic particles

3694
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:09,280
you start talking about muons

3695
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:12,559
and quarks this is reality this is real

3696
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:13,920
even though we can't interact with it

3697
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,399
there is

3698
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:16,800
this entire universe inside each and

3699
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:18,399
every one of us now i don't want to get

3700
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:21,040
you know to off off the off the beaten

3701
02:18:25,030 --> 02:18:21,840
path here

3702
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:25,040
but my point being is that there is so

3703
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:25,519
much

3704
02:18:31,830 --> 02:18:28,639
we don't understand about the universe

3705
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:31,840
let alone our own selves so i think

3706
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:35,359
it is it is foolhardy for us

3707
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:38,719
to even begin to say definitively

3708
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:42,000
that well the buck stops with us

3709
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,760
if we can't see it touch taste or smell

3710
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,280
it doesn't exist well

3711
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,920
that's clearly not true there are things

3712
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:49,679
coursing through our body right now that

3713
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:51,120
you'll you can't perceive but they're

3714
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:52,559
just as real wi-fi

3715
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:55,200
and sell signal and and emissions coming

3716
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:56,880
in from satellites and

3717
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:00,160
and radar waves all this is very

3718
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:03,200
real and and and yet

3719
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,280
beyond our our perception we we look at

3720
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:07,040
the world through a very narrow band of

3721
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:08,319
the electromagnetic spectrum

3722
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,000
electro-optical spectrum

3723
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,120
forgive me called light that's it

3724
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,800
and that on when you look at the grand

3725
02:19:20,469 --> 02:19:17,040
scale is just a sliver

3726
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:20,479
of what's really out there so

3727
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:23,120
i guess my question to that is is you

3728
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:23,679
know

3729
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:25,280
going back to your original question are

3730
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:27,439
they from earth uh are they not from

3731
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:28,559
earth forgive me

3732
02:19:32,150 --> 02:19:31,760
um i don't know i don't know because

3733
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:32,160
it's

3734
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:35,760
not necessarily well if they're not from

3735
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:36,960
here they must be from outer space

3736
02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:38,080
that's not true

3737
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,760
there's a whole bunch of others there's

3738
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:41,200
an option c and d

3739
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:43,200
and e and f all the way to z of what

3740
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:44,479
what it could be

3741
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,399
and so let's not limit ourselves by

3742
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:48,640
putting these artificial limitations

3743
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:50,000
well if it's not here it must be out

3744
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:51,520
there right we tend to be binary

3745
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:52,399
creatures

3746
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:53,920
we look at everything in extremes it's

3747
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:56,080
either left or right upper down hot or

3748
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:57,520
cold good or bad

3749
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,840
and that's probably because we're cardio

3750
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:01,359
social animals

3751
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:03,120
some scientists believe neuroscientists

3752
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:05,280
believe the first nine months of

3753
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:07,439
all humans are are for the most part in

3754
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,479
our mother's womb

3755
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:11,120
womb and the heartbeat that we hear uh

3756
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:11,680
that on

3757
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,399
off that binary sets the stage for the

3758
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:16,000
way we think as a species

3759
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,760
right we look at everything in terms of

3760
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,160
this either on or off so to speak

3761
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,760
but in reality universe doesn't work

3762
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:23,840
that way the universe isn't binary the

3763
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:24,399
universe

3764
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:27,760
operates and diagonals

3765
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:31,920
uh it it it it you know it

3766
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,560
it uh it manifests itself in all sorts

3767
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:36,080
of magical ways um

3768
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:38,640
you know one can look at go ahead i'm

3769
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:39,120
sorry

3770
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:40,720
i know i'm probably going a little bit

3771
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:42,319
too deep here no

3772
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:44,160
what you everything that you just said

3773
02:20:48,710 --> 02:20:45,840
we discuss on this show

3774
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:48,720
uh a few nights a week okay so no you're

3775
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,040
not

3776
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:51,200
venturing into a territory that this

3777
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:52,960
audience doesn't understand

3778
02:20:59,910 --> 02:20:56,160
but bringing up the universe the tic tac

3779
02:21:02,309 --> 02:20:59,920
is not uh a united states

3780
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:02,319
thing it's a global it's not a united

3781
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,680
it's not right it's written united

3782
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:05,120
states thing and it's not it's not a

3783
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:06,960
foreign adversarial technology so what

3784
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:14,950
would uh would there be a cooperation

3785
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:19,359
with china or with the soviet union

3786
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:22,000
with what the tic tac represents is

3787
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:22,800
there

3788
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:26,800
about this data

3789
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:29,280
i i can't i can't discuss that but what

3790
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:31,439
i can say is if you look at the recent

3791
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,760
uh headlines of japan reaching out and

3792
02:21:36,630 --> 02:21:35,280
establishing a bilateral

3793
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:36,640
information sharing relationship with

3794
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:38,160
the united states specifically for the

3795
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:39,120
purposes

3796
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:40,800
of sharing uap information that's

3797
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:42,319
probably a pretty good indicator

3798
02:21:48,630 --> 02:21:45,600
yeah and uh the

3799
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:48,640
is is it something that you don't

3800
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:50,479
necessarily

3801
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:54,000
want another uh an adversary

3802
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:57,040
to have information too as well is it in

3803
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:58,880
our best interest to keep

3804
02:22:02,309 --> 02:22:01,680
our data to ourselves well sure and

3805
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:02,319
remember

3806
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:03,680
today's friend could be tomorrow's

3807
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:05,280
adversary and tomorrow's adversary could

3808
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:06,800
be our friend look at look at vietnam

3809
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:07,439
for a second

3810
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:09,600
right i mean in the 60s when probably

3811
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:11,200
when your father was in you know it was

3812
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:12,399
a pretty tough place

3813
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:15,520
uh and and we left under there under

3814
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:17,680
some really bad circumstances

3815
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:19,680
and now they're a wonderful trading

3816
02:22:23,510 --> 02:22:21,359
partner in fact we go there all the time

3817
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:23,520
to go to their beaches and tourism and

3818
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:24,800
and we have a wonderful relationship

3819
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:26,960
with vietnam so you know

3820
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:28,800
the problem is when you're talking about

3821
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:30,240
governments you're really talking about

3822
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:32,399
people and people are very fickle

3823
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:35,840
people run hot and cold all the time and

3824
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:38,000
whenever you have relationships with

3825
02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:39,200
other countries

3826
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:40,720
unfortunately it's usually out of

3827
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:42,479
convenience

3828
02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:45,920
not really out of sincere friendship um

3829
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:49,120
most of the time and that's just the way

3830
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:52,319
governments are unfortunately um i am

3831
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:55,040
hopeful that a topic like this might be

3832
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:56,800
able to bridge that gap

3833
02:23:01,030 --> 02:23:00,399
and and and force enemies to become

3834
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:01,040
friends

3835
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:03,280
um you know let's let's let's look at

3836
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:05,280
this jimmy you and i

3837
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:06,960
are having a conversation right now

3838
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:08,560
never in a million years would people

3839
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:09,760
expect you and i

3840
02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:13,040
to share the same airwaves right i know

3841
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:15,520
philosophically you have probably you

3842
02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:18,399
had a significant difference of opinion

3843
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:21,120
as i do but that's okay because we can

3844
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:22,319
find common ground

3845
02:23:26,309 --> 02:23:25,200
in this topic and just like you and i

3846
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:26,319
are able to have an amicable

3847
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:29,040
conversation right now over the airwaves

3848
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,560
government should be able to do the same

3849
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,479
thing if we can do it they sure as hell

3850
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:34,720
can do it i don't know why not so

3851
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:36,800
i when i said before there's a lot of

3852
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:37,760
hope there and there's a lot of

3853
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:39,359
opportunity that's what i meant

3854
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:42,319
this is an area for us to to this is a

3855
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:43,040
global

3856
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,680
issue we should just like climate change

3857
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:47,200
we should handle this

3858
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:49,040
uh from a global perspective and how

3859
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:50,399
wonderful it would be that we could

3860
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,359
actually work

3861
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:54,399
with russia or china on this topic and

3862
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:54,800
yes

3863
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,760
maybe even iran or north korea and and

3864
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:59,280
for just a moment put aside our

3865
02:24:03,270 --> 02:24:00,240
differences

3866
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:03,280
and let's share our commonalities as as

3867
02:24:07,910 --> 02:24:05,120
a species not as a country

3868
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:07,920
not as a nation but truly as a

3869
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:08,960
civilization

3870
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,720
as a planet as a planet and now there's

3871
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:14,399
another interesting thing here and i

3872
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:16,000
know that you've thought about this but

3873
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:18,960
you've never been asked this question

3874
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:21,120
both gemini and i like long walks on the

3875
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:22,960
beach yes you do

3876
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:25,760
is is this uh i find it interesting and

3877
02:24:31,590 --> 02:24:28,160
beyond coincidence that both of these

3878
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:31,600
uh incidents happened with the navy

3879
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:34,960
with battle groups on off the coast of

3880
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:39,990
the tic tac didn't happen over los

3881
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:42,000
angeles the tic tac didn't happen

3882
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:44,880
over wichita it happened with the

3883
02:24:49,990 --> 02:24:46,640
military

3884
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:50,000
why i mean that's the question why

3885
02:24:55,190 --> 02:24:53,200
there's got to be an answer there well

3886
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:55,200
you know it it could be that the

3887
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:57,200
pervasiveness of military technology

3888
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:58,880
happens to be in places where

3889
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,640
most people aren't and it just happens

3890
02:25:03,910 --> 02:25:02,240
to be a hot spot or

3891
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,920
uh when you look at a nuclear carrier

3892
02:25:07,590 --> 02:25:05,359
group you realize you have

3893
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:07,600
you know a huge nuclear profile you've

3894
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:09,280
got you've got

3895
02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:11,439
ships that are powered by nuclear

3896
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:12,319
technology

3897
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:14,080
you have ships with the capability to

3898
02:25:17,429 --> 02:25:15,920
have nuclear weapons on board

3899
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:17,439
and then you have submarines that are

3900
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:19,120
not only nuclear power but in some cases

3901
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:20,800
may also have nuclear weapons on board

3902
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:21,359
so

3903
02:25:24,950 --> 02:25:24,080
in that small of a footprint of a of a

3904
02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:24,960
fleet

3905
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:28,240
you have a you have more more nuclear

3906
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:30,720
technology than than you have probably

3907
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:32,160
the entire state of new york

3908
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:35,200
so uh is it possible that

3909
02:25:42,790 --> 02:25:39,040
there is some uh congruency there that

3910
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:42,800
that there is an effort to to

3911
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:44,319
conduct some sort of surveillance

3912
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:46,800
operation on our nuclear capabilities

3913
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:49,200
we've seen them over our nuclear silos

3914
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:51,439
we see them over a nuclear-powered

3915
02:25:55,349 --> 02:25:52,800
capabilities

3916
02:25:57,030 --> 02:25:55,359
is that one of the connections we're

3917
02:25:59,670 --> 02:25:57,040
seeing

3918
02:26:00,550 --> 02:25:59,680
and i'm going to leave that question to

3919
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:00,560
you to answer

3920
02:26:05,670 --> 02:26:03,680
well is it is it also inside the realm

3921
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:05,680
of possibility that

3922
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:09,439
northrop or another uh

3923
02:26:16,389 --> 02:26:13,040
aerospace uh technology company is

3924
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:16,399
is testing their technology on on

3925
02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:19,120
us to see what can be read on radar what

3926
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:21,200
pilots would witness what the crews

3927
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,560
would witness

3928
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:25,040
and something that we would use in a

3929
02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:25,920
theater

3930
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:28,479
later against an adversary yeah so that

3931
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:30,240
red teaming that you're talking about is

3932
02:26:32,790 --> 02:26:31,359
done with tremendous amount of

3933
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:32,800
coordination the last thing you ever

3934
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:34,640
want to do is fly some sort of super

3935
02:26:38,950 --> 02:26:36,880
secret technology next to a battle

3936
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:38,960
carrier group or a carrier battle group

3937
02:26:42,710 --> 02:26:40,960
um that's suicide you are going to get

3938
02:26:44,070 --> 02:26:42,720
shot down out of the sky at some point

3939
02:26:45,110 --> 02:26:44,080
or they're going to launch a missile at

3940
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:45,120
you or they're going to hit you with a

3941
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:46,399
sea whiz

3942
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,560
you will not survive very long that is a

3943
02:26:51,429 --> 02:26:50,399
dumb place to do it if you want to test

3944
02:26:53,750 --> 02:26:51,439
the capabilities

3945
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:53,760
you do it at a place like area 51 where

3946
02:26:56,389 --> 02:26:55,520
you can control the environment and you

3947
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:56,399
don't have to worry about

3948
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:58,720
fishermen out on fishing boats or people

3949
02:27:02,469 --> 02:26:59,680
on the coast

3950
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:02,479
or other people by mistake coming across

3951
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:03,600
your technology

3952
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:05,120
i can tell you that is not the way the

3953
02:27:08,790 --> 02:27:06,640
department of defense works

3954
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:08,800
absolutely do we test our technology on

3955
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:09,760
ourselves sure

3956
02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:11,439
but we coordinate it because we don't

3957
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,960
want to have a mishap where

3958
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:14,399
all of a sudden we have a collision with

3959
02:27:18,389 --> 02:27:16,240
one of these things and we kill a pilot

3960
02:27:20,070 --> 02:27:18,399
or worse it crashes and now that

3961
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:20,080
technology is all over the ocean

3962
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:21,520
and now the russians can come by with a

3963
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:23,280
submarine and scoop it up that that's

3964
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,560
not the way we do business

3965
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:26,160
and anybody who says that doesn't know

3966
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:28,080
how the government works

3967
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:31,840
would the uh pentagon uh

3968
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:34,880
look to another private uh group

3969
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:38,160
out there like ttsa uh to share

3970
02:27:42,230 --> 02:27:41,120
information and funnel stuff through i

3971
02:27:43,670 --> 02:27:42,240
can't answer that that's a question

3972
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:43,680
you'd have to ask the government

3973
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:46,479
well and you understand why oh i do sure

3974
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:47,040
sure

3975
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:49,200
why i think it's a good question i just

3976
02:27:53,670 --> 02:27:50,399
i can't answer that

3977
02:27:56,630 --> 02:27:53,680
with uh why why did

3978
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:56,640
uh going back to this subject completely

3979
02:28:00,710 --> 02:27:56,960
it

3980
02:28:01,830 --> 02:28:00,720
seems that uh ttsa took their foot off

3981
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:01,840
the gas

3982
02:28:05,670 --> 02:28:04,960
when it came to uh bringing information

3983
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:05,680
forward

3984
02:28:10,790 --> 02:28:09,600
we we continually went back to the tic

3985
02:28:13,110 --> 02:28:10,800
tac in the roosevelt

3986
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:13,120
and and those three videos and that and

3987
02:28:15,429 --> 02:28:14,560
the testimony and all of that was

3988
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,439
excellent

3989
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:17,680
but that was three years ago almost four

3990
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:19,040
we're in the fourth year

3991
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,960
now and it seems that ttsa took the foot

3992
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:24,479
off the gas

3993
02:28:27,590 --> 02:28:26,160
was it because they didn't have anything

3994
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:27,600
else to bring forward

3995
02:28:31,190 --> 02:28:30,880
or is ttsa sitting on stuff that we will

3996
02:28:34,150 --> 02:28:31,200
see

3997
02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:34,160
in the future jimmy another great

3998
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:35,520
question you'd have to ask the folks at

3999
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:36,319
ttsa

4000
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:40,479
tell you you know the things that chris

4001
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:42,080
mellon and i are working on

4002
02:28:45,110 --> 02:28:44,560
are absolutely pushing the ball down the

4003
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:45,120
field

4004
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:46,720
what people have noticed probably about

4005
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:48,800
us we tend to go dark for a little while

4006
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:51,920
uh before another

4007
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:54,800
major if you will announcement that

4008
02:28:58,550 --> 02:28:56,399
comes

4009
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:58,560
we are absolutely engaged in the fight

4010
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:00,800
on a daily if not hourly basis

4011
02:29:07,270 --> 02:29:04,640
this is what we do but

4012
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:07,280
what ttsa is doing now now that they're

4013
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:09,120
focusing on the entertainment piece

4014
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:10,800
i i really can't tell you because i

4015
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:12,399
really don't know i i don't

4016
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:15,359
have insight into their daily operations

4017
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:16,319
um

4018
02:29:21,910 --> 02:29:19,680
last few years

4019
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:21,920
um they're they're kind of doing their

4020
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:23,680
thing and we're doing our thing

4021
02:29:27,190 --> 02:29:26,640
and that's that's where we are i want to

4022
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:27,200
thank you

4023
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:29,120
what a great conversation tonight i look

4024
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:30,560
forward to the next time

4025
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:33,600
and uh i have to ask the obvious

4026
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:36,000
what are you working on now and what is

4027
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:43,750
i love watching you squirm by the way

4028
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:46,000
yeah your audience only had a camera

4029
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:47,680
they could see what i'm doing right now

4030
02:29:51,590 --> 02:29:49,200
i'm kind of fidgeting and trying to look

4031
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:51,600
for a way out um

4032
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:54,479
so uh what am i working on now we are

4033
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:56,479
working on a permanent solution

4034
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:59,520
uh and i'll i'll leave it at that where

4035
02:30:02,309 --> 02:30:01,359
are we going for the future what can we

4036
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:02,319
expect

4037
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:05,359
hopefully a permanent solution what what

4038
02:30:10,630 --> 02:30:06,640
does that even mean

4039
02:30:13,110 --> 02:30:10,640
you should run for office i mean

4040
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:13,120
what does that mean you don't want me

4041
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:15,040
running for office i'm not sure i'd get

4042
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:19,280
get very many votes um it means that the

4043
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:20,720
things that we had set out to do

4044
02:30:23,670 --> 02:30:22,800
originally we are still pursuing with

4045
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:23,680
great vigor

4046
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,319
and um i think it's fair to say that a

4047
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:28,080
task force by government terms has

4048
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:29,760
always been designed to be a temporary

4049
02:30:33,429 --> 02:30:30,960
capability

4050
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:33,439
uh but this is a persistent problem that

4051
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:35,600
we're facing with uaps it's a persistent

4052
02:30:38,550 --> 02:30:36,399
question

4053
02:30:39,910 --> 02:30:38,560
and i'm not sure a temporary capability

4054
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:39,920
is the best way to answer

4055
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:42,960
a to address a persistent problem i

4056
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:44,640
think you need a persistent capability

4057
02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:46,399
to address a persistent problem

4058
02:30:49,750 --> 02:30:48,640
did you feel that's an interesting

4059
02:30:53,110 --> 02:30:49,760
answer uh

4060
02:30:57,110 --> 02:30:53,120
lou did you feel that uh

4061
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:57,120
ttsa was was holding you back was there

4062
02:31:01,590 --> 02:30:59,280
was was that it because you just said

4063
02:31:03,830 --> 02:31:01,600
we're trying to complete what we started

4064
02:31:05,429 --> 02:31:03,840
why not stay with the team and and keep

4065
02:31:08,550 --> 02:31:05,439
this moving forward

4066
02:31:09,910 --> 02:31:08,560
did you felt constricted ctsa wasn't

4067
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:09,920
holding us back it just

4068
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:13,520
it just shifted its focus into an area

4069
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,840
that was that was considered still

4070
02:31:20,469 --> 02:31:17,359
helpful

4071
02:31:24,230 --> 02:31:20,479
but was was i think probably

4072
02:31:25,590 --> 02:31:24,240
more more appropriate for any company

4073
02:31:26,950 --> 02:31:25,600
any business that's trying to seek a

4074
02:31:29,270 --> 02:31:26,960
return on investment

4075
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:29,280
a lot of the efforts chris and i are are

4076
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:30,160
part of are

4077
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:33,520
our long-term long-duration efforts

4078
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:36,560
uh where the return on investment isn't

4079
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:39,040
necessarily monetary

4080
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:40,800
and it's it's it's a little bit more

4081
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:43,200
perhaps esoteric

4082
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:47,680
and so my leaving ttsa was a mutual

4083
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:48,479
decision

4084
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,760
between ttsa and myself in order to

4085
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,000
allow chris and i and others to continue

4086
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:56,640
to pursue this effort from from the area

4087
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:57,760
of expertise that

4088
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:59,760
we bring to the table right while

4089
02:32:03,750 --> 02:32:00,800
allowing

4090
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:03,760
ttsa to fulfill its mission and its

4091
02:32:07,429 --> 02:32:04,960
commitment to its

4092
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:07,439
stockholders but much beyond that you'd

4093
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:09,520
really have to talk to ttsa again i'm

4094
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:10,240
not at

4095
02:32:17,670 --> 02:32:14,720
business because i

4096
02:32:19,349 --> 02:32:17,680
i'm not there anymore yeah sure sure um

4097
02:32:23,030 --> 02:32:19,359
do you

4098
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:23,040
did go uh public

4099
02:32:26,870 --> 02:32:26,240
after um into the private sector after

4100
02:32:30,070 --> 02:32:26,880
leaving

4101
02:32:34,070 --> 02:32:30,080
the department of defense that

4102
02:32:36,469 --> 02:32:34,080
any pot do you okay

4103
02:32:38,630 --> 02:32:36,479
do you still have connections and

4104
02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:38,640
friends at the dod

4105
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,000
that can help you move this forward or

4106
02:32:45,110 --> 02:32:44,080
because you went private and started

4107
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:45,120
talking

4108
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:48,160
that maybe that cooperation isn't there

4109
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:50,160
anymore

4110
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:53,680
no the first um

4111
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:56,479
i definitely maintain relationships with

4112
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:57,359
with people back

4113
02:33:00,870 --> 02:32:58,720
in in the department and not just the

4114
02:33:02,150 --> 02:33:00,880
department of defense uh the u.s

4115
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:02,160
government at large

4116
02:33:08,469 --> 02:33:06,160
um i think it's important that you know

4117
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:08,479
we we do this together and i don't want

4118
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:10,240
to ever do anything that's out of sync

4119
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:10,960
or out of step

4120
02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:11,920
i don't want to do anything to

4121
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:14,399
compromise efforts that are going on

4122
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:15,600
in the government i don't want to do

4123
02:33:19,270 --> 02:33:17,520
anything that that can be perceived as

4124
02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:19,280
being destructive i want it to be

4125
02:33:23,190 --> 02:33:21,120
i want to be constructive i want to be

4126
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:23,200
helpful i want to be an enabler

4127
02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:24,800
i don't want to be someone that

4128
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:26,479
interferes uh

4129
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:28,560
with efforts um that's that's not what

4130
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:29,520
this is about

4131
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:33,200
the job that it's supposed to do

4132
02:33:37,830 --> 02:33:36,319
uh in in a way that is in the best

4133
02:33:39,910 --> 02:33:37,840
interest of the american people

4134
02:33:41,110 --> 02:33:39,920
and that's what i'm committed to see you

4135
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:41,120
didn't squirm

4136
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:44,640
what he said said that you were very

4137
02:33:49,429 --> 02:33:47,120
very matter-of-fact and determined in

4138
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:49,439
that and and i really appreciate that

4139
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:51,840
the audience can't see uh what i see

4140
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,240
here but you just said that with uh such

4141
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:56,000
conviction

4142
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:59,040
well i believe it i mean i'm not

4143
02:34:02,870 --> 02:34:01,439
you know i'm not a an overly intelligent

4144
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:02,880
person i'm not a you know rocket

4145
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:04,800
scientist i'm not a

4146
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:07,280
uh you know a lawyer or anything like

4147
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:08,479
that um

4148
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:11,760
i'm just just a government servant and a

4149
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:13,120
servant to the american people always

4150
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:14,000
happened i

4151
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:17,359
took an oath to defend this country uh

4152
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:18,960
long ago from all enemies foreign and

4153
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:21,600
domestic and sometimes those enemies are

4154
02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:22,640
our bureaucracy

4155
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,240
sometimes the enemy isn't necessarily

4156
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:26,160
holding an ak-47

4157
02:34:29,429 --> 02:34:29,040
uh it's holding a pen and paper or it's

4158
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:29,439
it's

4159
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:34,720
and you know what i'm still very much

4160
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:36,319
committed to to that mission

4161
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:39,760
um you know i i i know that probably

4162
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:41,439
hinders me to some degree because

4163
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:42,880
there's some people who really don't

4164
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:44,800
like the fact that i have connections to

4165
02:34:48,389 --> 02:34:46,399
the government

4166
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:48,399
but i would say that i i don't think we

4167
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:50,160
would be here where we are today in this

4168
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,280
conversation

4169
02:34:54,790 --> 02:34:53,520
if if if we didn't have those

4170
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,800
relationships

4171
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,240
again everybody should be on the boat

4172
02:34:59,590 --> 02:34:58,640
this is this is a topic that affects all

4173
02:35:02,790 --> 02:34:59,600
of us equally

4174
02:35:05,429 --> 02:35:02,800
and and to to excuse a pun but

4175
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:05,439
but to alienate people in the government

4176
02:35:08,150 --> 02:35:06,240
um

4177
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:08,160
you know i that's i don't think that's

4178
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:09,359
that's helpful i don't think that's

4179
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:11,040
constructive we need them on board

4180
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:12,399
we need their talents we need their

4181
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:15,280
expertise to help figure this out

4182
02:35:21,270 --> 02:35:18,640
um do you have um uh

4183
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,280
see i've got so many questions i i just

4184
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:22,880
can't end this right now

4185
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:26,000
lose okay have have

4186
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:29,120
you had somebody

4187
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,080
advise you on where and what not to say

4188
02:35:38,070 --> 02:35:36,240
to run interference for instance like

4189
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,080
during this broadcast tonight

4190
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:41,439
uh did you get a text right dude slow

4191
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:42,080
down

4192
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:44,399
this isn't a zone that you need to go

4193
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:45,359
into

4194
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:50,160
um are are you free of that or

4195
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:52,080
do you get do you get a phone call once

4196
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:53,680
in a while from the man

4197
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:56,240
well i i know my left and right limits i

4198
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:57,840
i've worked for the man for long enough

4199
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:59,680
where i i know how to mine my p's and

4200
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:00,160
q's

4201
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:03,600
um you know i i i if i get a call it's

4202
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:05,040
because i said something wrong

4203
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:08,800
um you know it's uh do i get texts

4204
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:11,920
all the time but um

4205
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:15,280
i'm i'm very careful um

4206
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:16,960
in the way i have a conversation and

4207
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:18,560
again i know probably it's frustrating

4208
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:19,840
for some people they probably look at

4209
02:36:22,630 --> 02:36:21,120
that and saying oh you know you're being

4210
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,640
evasive and whatnot yeah i am

4211
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:25,280
i am being a basis of sometimes because

4212
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:27,120
there's other things at stake it's not

4213
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,960
just about lou elizondo and this is what

4214
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:30,880
i keep trying to drive home to people

4215
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:33,520
you know this is the problem with this

4216
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:34,000
topic

4217
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:35,600
is that there are so many personalities

4218
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:37,280
in this topic and you all of a sudden

4219
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:38,640
when you're in a position

4220
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:40,000
where people think you have some sort of

4221
02:36:43,429 --> 02:36:41,600
authority you get put up on this

4222
02:36:45,670 --> 02:36:43,439
pedestal where you are this almost this

4223
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:45,680
demigod right and no matter what you say

4224
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,760
that's taken his gospel and that's

4225
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:50,000
dangerous that that's exactly what we

4226
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:52,880
don't need what we need is is is

4227
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:55,040
conversation and discussion and dialogue

4228
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,319
and collaboration

4229
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:58,160
we don't need someone standing up on a

4230
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:59,680
podium saying this is the way it shall

4231
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:00,000
be

4232
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:02,479
and you know it's it's the way i think

4233
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,160
about it is the answer you know all that

4234
02:37:09,830 --> 02:37:06,319
other stuff is is

4235
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:09,840
nonsense i i don't think that's helpful

4236
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:12,000
and you know that's why i refrain from

4237
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:13,600
giving my opinion most of the time

4238
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:14,319
because

4239
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,760
at the end of the day jimmy it doesn't

4240
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:17,359
matter what my opinion is

4241
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:19,359
what matters are what facts and the data

4242
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:21,840
says and it's very very important i

4243
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:22,560
could get

4244
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:24,000
i could spend the next 10 hours telling

4245
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:25,760
you what i think but

4246
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,960
at the end of the day it's just what i

4247
02:37:30,150 --> 02:37:28,880
think and i've sold i've said this

4248
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:30,160
before to people

4249
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:31,200
the one thing i've learned in

4250
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:32,640
intelligence is that you can be

4251
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:33,439
absolutely

4252
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:35,520
certain of something and still be

4253
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:37,120
absolutely wrong

4254
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:38,960
and i don't want to be in that category

4255
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:40,240
i don't want to be there's too much at

4256
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:41,280
stake i don't want to be held

4257
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,399
responsible

4258
02:37:46,309 --> 02:37:44,640
for leading people down a road turns out

4259
02:37:48,070 --> 02:37:46,319
to be bs

4260
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:48,080
that's that's that would be the worst

4261
02:37:51,270 --> 02:37:49,600
thing i could do this this this

4262
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:51,280
community is fraught with hucksters and

4263
02:37:54,070 --> 02:37:52,240
shysters and

4264
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:54,080
and people that have have made a living

4265
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:55,600
of defrauding other human beings off

4266
02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:56,720
their hard earned money

4267
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:59,120
and all in in search of the truth and i

4268
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:01,280
think that's a perversion of the truth

4269
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:03,200
you know i'm not doing this to get rich

4270
02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:04,880
the hell i last two years i was living

4271
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:05,760
in a trailer

4272
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:08,800
literally so you know this is it hasn't

4273
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:10,720
been easy i'm doing this because i

4274
02:38:14,070 --> 02:38:12,640
really believe in what i'm doing just

4275
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:14,080
like you really believe in what you're

4276
02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:17,280
doing and um

4277
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:19,120
i'll leave it at that that's why uh

4278
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:21,040
that's why i don't offer my opinion that

4279
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:21,439
often

4280
02:38:25,349 --> 02:38:24,720
well you uh and we talked about this

4281
02:38:28,790 --> 02:38:25,359
earlier

4282
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:28,800
and and i told you that lou i told you

4283
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:30,960
you need to remember what you just said

4284
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:32,560
so you can say it again

4285
02:38:38,150 --> 02:38:35,920
and what happened we forgot right

4286
02:38:39,510 --> 02:38:38,160
okay so let's see if we i can pull this

4287
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:39,520
out of you again

4288
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:42,640
which is this you have got a lot

4289
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:46,399
of of of fans out there i'll uh

4290
02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:50,000
let's just leave it there but

4291
02:38:58,469 --> 02:38:54,720
that have put you up into a position

4292
02:39:01,750 --> 02:38:58,479
that uh deity right

4293
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:01,760
almost uh a godlike uh

4294
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:05,120
spot you are are you

4295
02:39:10,870 --> 02:39:08,160
cognizant of that and

4296
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:10,880
do you believe the hype right okay well

4297
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:12,000
first of all i i'm

4298
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:13,840
i'm cognizant that a lot of people give

4299
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:15,680
me credit that i don't deserve

4300
02:39:19,110 --> 02:39:18,800
um and do i believe the hype absolutely

4301
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:19,120
not

4302
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:22,800
never have been um

4303
02:39:30,230 --> 02:39:26,800
i i am um profoundly boring i'm sure

4304
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:30,240
if you were to ever meet me in person um

4305
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:33,280
you know i that is for me that is the

4306
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:36,240
devil so many people start believing the

4307
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,880
hype

4308
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:38,399
and they start believing what people are

4309
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:40,160
telling them about themselves

4310
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:42,640
instead of remaining true to themselves

4311
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:44,319
and then the next thing you know

4312
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:47,520
they're lost they're gone and and

4313
02:39:51,670 --> 02:39:49,760
that's a real danger you know i

4314
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:51,680
fortunately for me i've spent my life in

4315
02:39:55,270 --> 02:39:52,640
the shadows

4316
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:55,280
so i i love my anonymity i love my

4317
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:57,200
privacy i tend to be very introverted

4318
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,319
even though people see me

4319
02:40:01,750 --> 02:40:00,399
oh you're very extroverted i'm actually

4320
02:40:03,190 --> 02:40:01,760
not a very introverted

4321
02:40:04,469 --> 02:40:03,200
uh that's hell that's why they live in

4322
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:04,479
the live in the middle of nowhere

4323
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,120
wyoming right um

4324
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:09,439
for me i think it's important that we

4325
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:10,240
always remain

4326
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:12,399
grounded remember where we come from

4327
02:40:16,469 --> 02:40:14,319
remember where we're trying to go

4328
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:16,479
and make sure that when you climb that

4329
02:40:19,349 --> 02:40:17,600
mountain you

4330
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:19,359
always reach a hand down to pull

4331
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:20,720
somebody up

4332
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:24,240
um that has been my philosophy from day

4333
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:24,720
one

4334
02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:27,680
and and leadership in in the government

4335
02:40:34,309 --> 02:40:30,399
i think is oftentimes misunderstood

4336
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:34,319
uh with with with management

4337
02:40:37,990 --> 02:40:36,800
leadership is a unique quality and and a

4338
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:38,000
leader will never tell you they're a

4339
02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:39,040
leader

4340
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:44,479
is assigned that role by other people

4341
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:46,080
never themselves

4342
02:40:53,830 --> 02:40:49,920
um i i i do my best

4343
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,840
to always try to leave this planet maybe

4344
02:40:56,550 --> 02:40:55,439
in a little bit better condition than i

4345
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:56,560
found it

4346
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:59,520
um i always try to pay it forward um

4347
02:41:01,830 --> 02:41:00,240
i've had

4348
02:41:03,750 --> 02:41:01,840
unfortunately had to do some horrible

4349
02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:03,760
things in my life uh

4350
02:41:09,910 --> 02:41:06,880
and in times of conflict um

4351
02:41:11,429 --> 02:41:09,920
you know these are things that uh

4352
02:41:13,110 --> 02:41:11,439
nobody should ever have to do

4353
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:13,120
unfortunately but the reality is that

4354
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:14,080
that

4355
02:41:17,429 --> 02:41:15,920
this is not a perfect world and we have

4356
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:17,439
to do what we have to do sometimes

4357
02:41:23,590 --> 02:41:20,640
um but uh

4358
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:23,600
for me i i always remember i always

4359
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:24,880
remember where i came from and i

4360
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:26,479
remember where people come from

4361
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:27,520
because at the end of the day it's all

4362
02:41:32,550 --> 02:41:30,080
about people there shouldn't be any my

4363
02:41:33,590 --> 02:41:32,560
team versus your team team lou or team

4364
02:41:36,230 --> 02:41:33,600
jimmy or

4365
02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:36,240
whatever we're all on the same team this

4366
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:36,880
is this is

4367
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:39,600
this is all of us together and and i

4368
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:40,080
think

4369
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:46,560
that really the future is in is in

4370
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:48,160
everybody's hands

4371
02:41:53,830 --> 02:41:51,200
don't look at me to solve your problems

4372
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:53,840
i will help you by enabling you and

4373
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:55,600
giving you all the tools and resources

4374
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:56,479
necessary

4375
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:58,880
but at the end of the day you have to be

4376
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,080
responsible

4377
02:42:04,150 --> 02:42:02,399
for for taking ownership and also

4378
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:04,160
solving these problems and that's why

4379
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:06,080
i love ufo twitter so much these folks

4380
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:07,279
are writing congress they're writing

4381
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:08,800
their elected officials they're

4382
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:10,319
they're they're having the conversation

4383
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:12,640
they're talking to media it's

4384
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:15,359
it's it's an amazing and beautiful thing

4385
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:15,760
to

4386
02:42:23,990 --> 02:42:21,920
but make no mistake i am not ufo twitter

4387
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:24,000
if i die tomorrow this this

4388
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:26,479
topic is going to continue and and it's

4389
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,319
going to continue to grow and become

4390
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:30,319
better and better and better

4391
02:42:33,750 --> 02:42:33,040
um so my advice to anybody that's out

4392
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:33,760
there

4393
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:36,399
um you know look at me as a member of

4394
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:38,160
your squad as your team

4395
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:41,840
um of your of your fire team um

4396
02:42:45,990 --> 02:42:44,319
none of us are are any more important uh

4397
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:46,000
or less important than anybody else we

4398
02:42:50,469 --> 02:42:47,920
all have a role to play we all are

4399
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:50,479
a specific tool in the tool bag i just

4400
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:52,240
happen to be a screwdriver but you might

4401
02:42:53,990 --> 02:42:53,600
be a wrench and someone else has a

4402
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:54,000
hammer

4403
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:56,000
and you know someone else's is something

4404
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:58,160
else um and we all do what we can

4405
02:43:01,190 --> 02:43:00,560
from from that perspective thank you so

4406
02:43:04,550 --> 02:43:01,200
much lou

4407
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:04,560
uh what a great conversation and again i

4408
02:43:08,070 --> 02:43:06,960
i look forward to the the next time that

4409
02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:08,080
you're on with us

4410
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:10,720
and let's take this all uh a step

4411
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:11,439
further

4412
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:13,600
thank you so much yeah thanks for having

4413
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:16,080
me it was a great conversation

4414
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:19,040
perfect have a great night be safe take

4415
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:20,560
care of your family we are in the middle

4416
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:22,560
of a pandemic that's not over

4417
02:43:27,030 --> 02:43:24,319
hey you know what we didn't even talk

4418
02:43:29,670 --> 02:43:27,040
coven we did two and a half hours

4419
02:43:30,790 --> 02:43:29,680
no covet be safe up there lou thank you

4420
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:30,800
so much

4421
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:32,560
thank you jimmy have a great night and

4422
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:34,479
with that i am going to take a quick

4423
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:36,000
break as everybody noticed

4424
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:38,000
i blew right through a commercial break

4425
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,760
and i kept lou on the air

4426
02:43:43,269 --> 02:43:41,920
he didn't know it that was my

4427
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:43,279
psychological

4428
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,439
twist on lou he didn't know i was

4429
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:47,200
playing him did you like that lou that

4430
02:43:50,469 --> 02:43:48,479
was cool huh

4431
02:43:53,349 --> 02:43:50,479
yeah that was great man actually uh i

4432
02:43:54,950 --> 02:43:53,359
would have hired you three years ago

4433
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:54,960
had i been in the government have a

4434
02:43:59,590 --> 02:43:57,520
great night man thank you so much

4435
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:59,600
date to black i am your host jimmy

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church follow lou

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on twitter at lou elizondo you can

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follow me on twitter at jchurchradio

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i've got time for a few phone calls

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this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

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02:48:02,870 --> 02:47:58,389
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

4524
02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:02,880
jimmy church there you go

4525
02:48:08,150 --> 02:48:05,439
lou elizondo what a great conversation i

4526
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:08,160
could have kept it going out of respect

4527
02:48:13,910 --> 02:48:12,319
to lou um uh yeah yeah i could have kept

4528
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:13,920
it going but

4529
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:16,640
uh wow what a conversation what did you

4530
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think 747-228-2051

4531
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:23,040
i've got enough time here for a couple

4532
02:48:25,110 --> 02:48:24,319
of calls and i'll get to that in a

4533
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:25,120
second

4534
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:28,880
but uh there was uh uh so much

4535
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:31,439
of course that was left on the table and

4536
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:32,880
we will save all of that

4537
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,640
uh for a future show and and and do it

4538
02:48:39,429 --> 02:48:38,240
once again with lou but that was a great

4539
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:39,439
conversation

4540
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:42,479
and i hope that i got

4541
02:48:45,830 --> 02:48:45,120
uh enough in tonight for everybody there

4542
02:48:48,550 --> 02:48:45,840
was just

4543
02:48:49,110 --> 02:48:48,560
so many lots of questions were coming in

4544
02:48:52,870 --> 02:48:49,120
and

4545
02:48:54,070 --> 02:48:52,880
but uh that was great that was a great

4546
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:54,080
conversation

4547
02:48:59,190 --> 02:48:56,399
and uh there you go i'm looking at some

4548
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:59,200
of the of the uh the comments in twitter

4549
02:49:02,790 --> 02:49:01,920
and and i agree but but then again you

4550
02:49:06,309 --> 02:49:02,800
have to go back

4551
02:49:07,429 --> 02:49:06,319
and and and listen to how how lou said

4552
02:49:11,510 --> 02:49:07,439
it you know hey

4553
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:11,520
uh uh i i i'm i'm being evasive because

4554
02:49:16,630 --> 02:49:12,800
i have to be

4555
02:49:20,230 --> 02:49:16,640
and uh i'm of course uh paraphrasing but

4556
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:20,240
that's uh that's the nature of of

4557
02:49:24,790 --> 02:49:23,040
of not only uh himself personally but

4558
02:49:27,429 --> 02:49:24,800
what we are dealing with here

4559
02:49:27,990 --> 02:49:27,439
and his connections and and his oaths

4560
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:28,000
and and

4561
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:31,200
everything else but that being said

4562
02:49:37,269 --> 02:49:35,120
very open and uh i don't think

4563
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:37,279
i don't think he didn't answer uh a

4564
02:49:41,110 --> 02:49:38,960
question

4565
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:41,120
yeah yeah that was pretty cool that was

4566
02:49:45,429 --> 02:49:43,680
pretty cool i need to digest this

4567
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:45,439
uh as well as everybody else so with

4568
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:46,720
that let's go to the phones hi you're

4569
02:49:59,830 --> 02:49:56,230
you're live hello yes you're live

4570
02:50:00,630 --> 02:49:59,840
hello so uh just curious like about the

4571
02:50:02,710 --> 02:50:00,640
whole

4572
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:02,720
consciousness phenomena behind behind

4573
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:04,000
this whole thing you know that's kind of

4574
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the

4575
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:06,080
main thing i kind of wanted to hear

4576
02:50:14,389 --> 02:50:08,399
about um

4577
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:22,790
yeah what's your name

4578
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:27,600
uh what do you mean consciousness

4579
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:30,960
so i mean that there are different

4580
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:34,479
you know parts of reality that are based

4581
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:35,600
off of

4582
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:37,200
different levels like that so i'm just

4583
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:38,880
wondering

4584
02:50:43,110 --> 02:50:40,720
you know i mean there are different

4585
02:50:46,469 --> 02:50:43,120
parts of

4586
02:50:50,950 --> 02:50:46,479
that i'm just uh i don't know

4587
02:50:52,710 --> 02:50:50,960
wondering now that's the question

4588
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:52,720
okay you're great you're breaking up

4589
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:54,399
there joe you're going with this

4590
02:50:58,790 --> 02:50:57,200
would be the subject of another show i

4591
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:58,800
mean when it comes to and i want to

4592
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:00,319
thank you for the phone call

4593
02:51:06,710 --> 02:51:04,160
um when it comes to this um and

4594
02:51:07,190 --> 02:51:06,720
and consciousness and and contact we

4595
02:51:09,269 --> 02:51:07,200
didn't get

4596
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:09,279
into that tonight on the show that is

4597
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:11,040
such a broad

4598
02:51:17,429 --> 02:51:14,240
broad subject um but i think that

4599
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:17,439
it is something that uh everybody

4600
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:20,560
is interested in i don't know

4601
02:51:26,710 --> 02:51:23,920
uh lou's take on any of that but uh

4602
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:26,720
i'll uh i'll do that on a future show

4603
02:51:29,990 --> 02:51:27,040
and

4604
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:30,000
uh like i said that's a broad broad

4605
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:32,000
conversation that's a that's a full show

4606
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:34,479
in itself but it's something that we are

4607
02:51:38,309 --> 02:51:35,840
all interested in

4608
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:38,319
i know um and i'm going to make this

4609
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:39,600
brief because i've got

4610
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:43,600
calls on hold i know that

4611
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:46,479
i can go out with a group of friends and

4612
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:48,160
have a positive

4613
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:51,200
uh mindset and want to see

4614
02:51:55,670 --> 02:51:54,080
something and then all of a sudden

4615
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:55,680
something happens

4616
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:58,640
and i i don't know what's going on there

4617
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:00,000
but it seems to

4618
02:52:06,870 --> 02:52:03,920
me that there is a direct connection

4619
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:06,880
with us as as individuals i don't know

4620
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:08,080
what that is

4621
02:52:11,349 --> 02:52:10,160
but i am fascinated with that let's go

4622
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:11,359
back to the phones hi you're live on

4623
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,160
fade to black who's calling the subject

4624
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:16,000
of another show i mean when it comes oh

4625
02:52:21,750 --> 02:52:18,319
you gotta turn me down in the background

4626
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:21,760
um when it comes to this hello yes

4627
02:52:26,309 --> 02:52:24,080
turn me down in the background doing it

4628
02:52:28,469 --> 02:52:26,319
right now jimmy

4629
02:52:29,750 --> 02:52:28,479
how are you okay who's this take me out

4630
02:52:32,389 --> 02:52:29,760
speaker

4631
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:32,399
oh okay sorry about that this is joe

4632
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,080
from huntsville alabama

4633
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:37,359
you

4634
02:52:42,389 --> 02:52:41,200
well it was a pretty fun show what did

4635
02:52:44,870 --> 02:52:42,399
you think

4636
02:52:46,469 --> 02:52:44,880
i i thought it was one of the best

4637
02:52:49,269 --> 02:52:46,479
interviews you've done

4638
02:52:50,710 --> 02:52:49,279
uh i i thought it was great that you had

4639
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:50,720
you had you finally had lu

4640
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:53,279
on the thing that i think is incredibly

4641
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,880
interesting

4642
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,560
and and i'm i'm somebody who came out of

4643
02:53:01,190 --> 02:52:58,160
the government uh

4644
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:01,200
but have been around the the topic of

4645
02:53:07,670 --> 02:53:03,920
the phenomenon for about 30 years

4646
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:07,680
what i've found interesting is is after

4647
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:11,760
the 2017 new york times article

4648
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:15,920
everyone seems so confused

4649
02:53:24,630 --> 02:53:20,240
by the concept of something flying

4650
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:24,640
in restricted airspace as being a threat

4651
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:28,399
now if if the morning of

4652
02:53:32,230 --> 02:53:31,840
september 11 2001 at 10 o'clock in the

4653
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:32,240
morning

4654
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:35,520
eastern time if there would have been a

4655
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:36,880
report that came out

4656
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:40,240
that there was an unidentified plane

4657
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,439
that wasn't responding to communications

4658
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:45,760
nobody knew who was flying it where it

4659
02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:47,359
came from

4660
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:49,760
what its intentions were but it was

4661
02:53:53,990 --> 02:53:51,680
flying over the white house

4662
02:53:56,710 --> 02:53:54,000
people would be freaking out and the

4663
02:54:00,870 --> 02:53:56,720
government be trying to shoot it down

4664
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:00,880
but here we are almost 20 years later

4665
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:04,240
and we've got validated reports from

4666
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:07,359
the department of defense stating that

4667
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:08,399
there are

4668
02:54:12,950 --> 02:54:12,160
quote unidentified craft aircraft if you

4669
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:12,960
will

4670
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:16,640
flying over even even more

4671
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:19,680
restricted airspace than then in some

4672
02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:20,080
cases

4673
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:22,880
maybe even the white house but nobody

4674
02:54:24,790 --> 02:54:24,080
seems to be able to get their head

4675
02:54:27,670 --> 02:54:24,800
around why

4676
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:27,680
that's a threat and these are craft that

4677
02:54:30,790 --> 02:54:29,680
we have no idea what they are they're

4678
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:30,800
clearly not in the u s

4679
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:32,479
inventory that's been confirmed by the

4680
02:54:39,110 --> 02:54:35,439
government and i i guess

4681
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:39,120
the narrative of the naysayers

4682
02:54:42,230 --> 02:54:41,920
is just very confusing and conflicting i

4683
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:42,240
think

4684
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:44,319
what you did tonight was help provide a

4685
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:56,389
just across the community need to be

4686
02:54:59,510 --> 02:54:58,160
very appreciative of you

4687
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:59,520
is the fact that i think what was

4688
02:55:04,790 --> 02:55:02,000
highlighted tonight is what's needed

4689
02:55:06,070 --> 02:55:04,800
is a disclosure caucus at the

4690
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:06,080
congressional level so

4691
02:55:10,150 --> 02:55:08,800
you know to me the the community at

4692
02:55:13,349 --> 02:55:10,160
large that's out there

4693
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:13,359
that wants to throw

4694
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:16,560
stones every time someone comes out with

4695
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:19,920
facts verifiable facts which i think

4696
02:55:25,269 --> 02:55:22,240
lose a lot of the lose data that lose

4697
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:25,279
put up terrified

4698
02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:27,840
barring that why does those same

4699
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:28,479
community

4700
02:55:34,950 --> 02:55:32,800
interest go to their politicians and

4701
02:55:37,510 --> 02:55:34,960
lobby for a disclosure caucus

4702
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:37,520
because there seems to be a caucus for

4703
02:55:41,110 --> 02:55:38,080
almost

4704
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:41,120
every uh area of interest or special

4705
02:55:44,870 --> 02:55:42,240
interest group

4706
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:44,880
and to me the the community at large

4707
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,279
that's so passionate about this

4708
02:55:51,269 --> 02:55:50,000
should be involved in a grassroots

4709
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:51,279
campaign

4710
02:55:55,670 --> 02:55:54,080
that pushes members of congress to work

4711
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:55,680
in a bipartisan fashion

4712
02:55:59,670 --> 02:55:58,000
across the aisle to establish a

4713
02:56:01,750 --> 02:55:59,680
disclosure caucus and then

4714
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,760
you know the community at large can can

4715
02:56:05,269 --> 02:56:03,760
take their issue to the polls

4716
02:56:07,510 --> 02:56:05,279
politicians who are a member of the

4717
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:07,520
caucus can get support

4718
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:09,200
and the ones who don't support

4719
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:11,359
disclosure or who are not a member of

4720
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,080
the disclosure

4721
02:56:15,990 --> 02:56:14,720
caucus should not get the vote if it's

4722
02:56:19,349 --> 02:56:16,000
that important

4723
02:56:19,590 --> 02:56:19,359
to the the traditional ufo community or

4724
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:19,600
the

4725
02:56:26,309 --> 02:56:25,600
topic but i i think you did an amazing

4726
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:26,319
job jimmy

4727
02:56:31,670 --> 02:56:29,439
uh you asked a lot of hard questions

4728
02:56:33,190 --> 02:56:31,680
and and god bless you we just we we

4729
02:56:35,510 --> 02:56:33,200
appreciate the fact that

4730
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:35,520
you know you're you're raising awareness

4731
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:37,600
on such an important topic

4732
02:56:42,870 --> 02:56:40,960
thank you joe and uh enjoy

4733
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:42,880
the rest of your evening man thank you

4734
02:56:47,429 --> 02:56:44,080
so much

4735
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:47,439
youtube thank you jimmy thank you have a

4736
02:56:53,190 --> 02:56:48,800
great night

4737
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:53,200
and uh yeah the disclosure caucus

4738
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:56,319
i mean would that even be possible

4739
02:57:02,630 --> 02:56:59,439
um i i still say we should have a

4740
02:57:03,990 --> 02:57:02,640
a disclosure march right the million

4741
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:04,000
disclosure march

4742
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:06,319
we should we should do something like

4743
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:08,800
that we should organize it and

4744
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:11,359
i think it would be fun and uh

4745
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:12,160
successful

4746
02:57:16,070 --> 02:57:14,399
too as well i've got time for one more

4747
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:16,080
call hi you're live on fade to black

4748
02:57:19,670 --> 02:57:17,920
who's calling

4749
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:19,680
hey what's up jeremy this is dave and

4750
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:21,279
lori and clint how are you doing tonight

4751
02:57:24,790 --> 02:57:22,000
bro i'm doing

4752
02:57:26,550 --> 02:57:24,800
fantastic how are you guys doing really

4753
02:57:27,269 --> 02:57:26,560
good you're going to do a song this is

4754
02:57:30,309 --> 02:57:27,279
amazing

4755
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:30,319
i met tom delong in the ice palace back

4756
02:57:34,630 --> 02:57:31,600
in um

4757
02:57:36,870 --> 02:57:34,640
uh early early 2000's when he had a

4758
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:36,880
is he answering questions well i'm just

4759
02:57:39,750 --> 02:57:37,920
i'm just saying he's

4760
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:39,760
is uh louis answering questions right

4761
02:57:43,670 --> 02:57:41,439
now no lose off the air

4762
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:43,680
and i've got about okay i've got about

4763
02:57:47,190 --> 02:57:44,640
30 seconds

4764
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:47,200
left okay did you guys have you ever

4765
02:57:49,830 --> 02:57:48,319
heard of the um

4766
02:57:51,590 --> 02:57:49,840
have you ever heard of that giant in

4767
02:57:54,070 --> 02:57:51,600
afghanistan that all the uh

4768
02:57:55,429 --> 02:57:54,080
soldiers like caught or whatever i guess

4769
02:57:56,950 --> 02:57:55,439
have you ever heard of that oh yeah i've

4770
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:56,960
heard that

4771
02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:59,680
yeah i've heard the stories about it um

4772
02:58:02,710 --> 02:58:00,000
yeah

4773
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:02,720
about that i was wondering what what you

4774
02:58:05,429 --> 02:58:03,680
thought about that

4775
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:05,439
well i don't have enough time to answer

4776
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:07,279
tonight did you guys did you guys know

4777
02:58:11,349 --> 02:58:07,600
what

4778
02:58:13,590 --> 02:58:11,359
jimmy did you guys just know amazing

4779
02:58:14,389 --> 02:58:13,600
did you guys enjoy the conversation

4780
02:58:18,230 --> 02:58:14,399
tonight with lou

4781
02:58:22,309 --> 02:58:18,240
yes sir oh my god yeah absolutely

4782
02:58:24,790 --> 02:58:22,319
absolutely far away and thankful

4783
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:24,800
thank you so much thank you the stars

4784
02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:25,680
i'm all it's

4785
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:28,160
amazing you guys are the best enjoy the

4786
02:58:31,269 --> 02:58:29,200
rest of your night

4787
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:31,279
and we'll see you tomorrow yes sir you

4788
02:58:34,150 --> 02:58:32,960
have a beautiful night brother and go

4789
02:58:37,349 --> 02:58:34,160
exactly

4790
02:58:39,269 --> 02:58:37,359
there you go man fade to black and uh

4791
02:58:41,429 --> 02:58:39,279
dave and lori and clint out there in

4792
02:58:43,510 --> 02:58:41,439
georgia you guys uh thank you so much

4793
02:58:46,230 --> 02:58:43,520
what a great conversation tonight

4794
02:58:46,870 --> 02:58:46,240
and uh tomorrow night right here on fade

4795
02:58:50,070 --> 02:58:46,880
to black

4796
02:58:52,309 --> 02:58:50,080
daryl anka bashar what an

4797
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:52,319
amazing week on the show this is

4798
02:58:56,790 --> 02:58:53,520
somebody pinch me

4799
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:56,800
this this is why i do this everybody

4800
02:59:01,269 --> 02:58:59,760
all right love the community love the

4801
02:59:03,990 --> 02:59:01,279
fader knots

4802
02:59:06,790 --> 02:59:04,000
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4803
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:06,800
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4804
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:09,279
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4805
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4806
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4807
02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:15,760
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4808
02:59:21,590 --> 02:59:19,520
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4809
02:59:23,269 --> 02:59:21,600
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4810
02:59:25,269 --> 02:59:23,279
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4811
02:59:28,030 --> 02:59:25,279
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4812
02:59:30,309 --> 02:59:28,040
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4813
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:30,319
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4814
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:31,840
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4815
02:59:35,269 --> 02:59:33,760
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4816
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:35,279
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4817
02:59:37,830 --> 02:59:36,080
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4818
02:59:39,750 --> 02:59:37,840
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4819
02:59:41,349 --> 02:59:39,760
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4820
02:59:42,950 --> 02:59:41,359
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4821
02:59:45,670 --> 02:59:42,960
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4822
02:59:47,429 --> 02:59:45,680
i'm yours jimmy church tomorrow night

4823
02:59:51,349 --> 02:59:47,439
darylanka

4824
03:00:00,460 --> 02:59:51,359
until then i want everybody to be safe

4825
03:00:22,830 --> 03:00:14,860
[Music]

4826
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:25,720
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